SMBM II: Defense of Yoshi's Island (Final! MVPs announced!)

[Vifam]

Are you playing the right game Vifam?

I'm pretty sure. It's evident I need to take a better look at the player list, though. I could have sworn

That's the way I work. I find that trust is harder to develop than mistrust. By extension, it takes me longer to develop townreads than scumreads.

If you have the ability to develop a solid scumread D1, five pages in the game, I don't see why you just can't as easily figure out who is town. It's certainly less of a bigger leap.

According to the memberlist, there's no "Pinklemonader"...

Don't nitpick man, it's getting late over here.

[David Xanatos]

It's 5am here.. I still had the initiative to look at the memberlist.. xD

[manho]

just posting to tell you i'm here. haven't read anything yet. will read after lunch.

[Bunnylover]

DH, do you see a VanillaCupcake in this game?

@Vifam: Where did you see the name VanillaCupcake?

The name showed up on the "Recently post" thing, and I when I clicked I thought she was in the game and just blatantly ignoring it <_<



Thanks to that I know PinkLemonader =/= VanillaCupcake, though.

What recently post thing D:?

[David Xanatos]

Main page, near the top, above queue, "view unread posts".

[Vifam]

Main page, near the top, above queue, "view unread posts".

This.

You've never seen it?

[TheJakalope]

Forgot about this game for today.

Hmm. A lot of.. Null stuff going on. More thoughts tomorrow. I'm tired.

[Vifam]

BEFORE I PACK UP:


Town:

DH
Hoppster
Isa


Null-Town:

Xeras


Null:
Bunnylover


Null-Scum:
David
Diddin


And to preemptively strike down everyone who will ask for reasoning on the David Xanthos FOS, check his ISO, it's all fluff. Every bit of it.

Good Night.

[David Xanatos]

That's frankly because it's the middle of the night and I'm uninclined to start trawling properly before I have a reasonable sleep. Don't worry, I'm sure I'll catch you again in the morning.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, what do you think of Diddin so far?

He's curious. I think he's taking relatively safe stances, but he's making sense, so I'm keeping an eye on him.

[Bunnylover]

Main page, near the top, above queue, "view unread posts".

This.

You've never seen it?

No :<.

[manho]

Isa is scum. Vifam is VI. will post more when i have time.

vote: Isa

[Bowser]

The "Fuzzy Smacking" votecount of Day 1

Ranmaru [L-12]
hiplop [L-12]
chkflip [L-12]
Kcdapot [L-12]

Vifam [L-11] Bunnylover

David Xanatos [L-12]
TheJakalope [L-12]
manho [L-12]
Parabollocks [L-12]
projectmatt [L-12]
Riceballtail [L-12]
WeyounsLastClone [L-12]

Sunset [L-11] chkflip

Wrathchild [L-12]

Xeras [L-11] projectmatt
Bunnylover [L-11] WLC

diddin [L-9] Xeras, Vifam, Isa

Isa [L-7] Hoppster, hiplop, DemonHybrid, diddin, manho

stormer [L-12]
DemonHybrid [L-12]
Celebloki [L-12]
Hoppster [L-12]

With 22 still kicking, it takes 12 to lynch, and 6 to lynch at deadline.

Deadline is

(expired on 2011-09-08 13:00:00)

or

September 8th, 2011 @ 12:00pm CDT

[manho]

I don't think it's that anymore.. to me it's more the deflection and the fact she's apparently loathe to give any detail.. :/

I'll gladly give you details whenever you need them.

Nah, I'm not. I don't see the scumminess in my actions just because you've done so as scum.

This is such a Scum response.

Vote: Isa

You guys are lame.
VOTE: Sunset

This was a stupid random vote.

hnng
UNVOTE:
VOTE: VanillaCupcake
Ignoring a thread four pages into the day? Not cool, man.

This is an even more terrible reason to vote someone.

Isa's scum. Don't see DemonHybrid scum at all. Also don't get why Hoppster is the god of towniness for everyone. Vifam from past experiences is a massive VI but he's been pretty scummy so far.

That's your case on me? I am not impressed.
Very little has been said about Hoppster and what everyone has for a read on him. What makes you say that everyone believes he's that? Him also believing I am scum?
You giving Vifam flak for those RVS votes also sits odd with me, again, your case is weak.

I don't understand how the guy who started a wagon on your biggest scumread 5 pages in would become a null-read.

Seeing how most of his posting has been reasoning on Isascum, I can't see anyway you would have a null-read on him. If it were me I couldn't have helped but put Hoppster down on the town list.

What are your other reads, Diddin?

I said null-leaning town, nice misrep bro. The game's only been going for a few pages, it takes me longer than that to develop solid townreads.

DemonHybrid is leaning town, Isa is scum, you're leaning scum.

If you develop a solid scum read on the reasoning you gave earlier, then I can't believe developing town reads is that much harder...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: diddin

this one is bad. really bad.

this post came after vifam calling diddin scum for not thinking hoppster town. isa came in, repeating what vifam had said, and put a vote on diddin. it is scum trying to move his attention to someone else. he didn't defend himself at all. so isa is scum.

also, to the newbies, there is a tactic call bussing. wiki it if you want to know more.

[Sunset]

Right. I'm here now. Late to the party again though :/
Onto the catchup. quotes are when I'm speaking to a player and expecting a response. URLs are for observations and reads

Looking at Page 1

er... posts #20 and #21 look interesting.
Basically because RVS isn't supposed to have reasons... Just build momentum and recations. So asking for reasons is interesting. Nothing else P1

Looking at page 2

onto post 25. Hiplop seems to forget that Vifam was town in our last game together. I wonder why he ignores this
Cera's post #29 wasn't the impression I got from DH's post. I agree with post #32 in that it's probably null and Isa is oddly vague. like on purpose
K, not sure why vifam is using the ol' RVS excuse in #47 when he was the one who was asking for scumreas page 1. seems rather off

#50: hoppster plays the newb card for vifam & xeras, but I feel it's rather valid and necessary in this case since they have emerged as 2 pivotal figures in the first 2 pages. not a bad find. shows looking beyond posts which is good I guess. meh

#57 collaborates with vifam's meta somewhat. Considering he was the doctor who failed to sumbit a result and get lynched as a result in a past game, I can see vifam taking this less seiously and the 'comical' excuse does have some weight, not that I approve of it entirely

The Isa wagon is interesting. If there are no other suspects I may join it as I can see the vagueness in voting being a weak scumtell, but opefully stronger suspects will emerge in the next few pages. I don't want to vote and have to unvote later in the same catchup post

Tch. I am going back to my 'people who have not confirmed' vote.

Unvote, Vote: Diddin

I don't thin scum would look so obvious out of the gate.

uh, why? we have 68 extra pages of info to help determine who's scum and you're choosing to ignore it?
same to vifam in #72 unless vifam says he was 'being comical' again, which I won't approve of again

just an observation on my part, but this feels like town DH. Town DH gets a lot more involved and is a key figure more in his town games than scum DH. scum DH lurks more and is less controversial, plays it safe more IIRC

post #83 doesn't cover a lot, but the 4 points it does cover I can agree with at least 3 of them. Not understanding the hoppster point though. It feels like townhopp to me. might check his past games again if i have time.

The random vote stems because I am not getting a strong read on anyone right now. Isa isn't ringing as scum to me.


Vanilla posted in a game earlier, I just wanted to point out he that he seemed to not be paying any attention to this thread despite it being a very brief read, how does that make my vote "Terrible"?

well you refused to comment on the Isa wagon. why?

#90: how you were to infer that read from your earlier post idon'teven
'I don't see why hoppster is the god of townieness' kinda implies you don't think he's town at all. You need to be clearer if you do have a null-town read on him.
That's almost as vague as Isa was in her DH vote.

#103: and I'm beginning to feel one of vifan and diddin is probscum. It should be noted that vifam appears more of a passive player than diddin though.

Blah day 1 started while I was at work.
Gonna start reading v-v

hnng


UNVOTE:


VOTE: VanillaCupcake


Ignoring a thread four pages into the day? Not cool, man.

Vote: Vifam

Slip slip slip.

this- this is your catchup?
I expected more analysis and such.

Yeah, I just confused her Pink Lemonade :/

who?
what's a 'pink lemonade' in terms of this game?

vifam's cluelessness over the playlists either a huge towntell or a bizzare scumslip which I don't quite understand. not sure

BEFORE I PACK UP:


Town:

DH
Hoppster
Isa

you never commented on ISA iirc

#135: I really feel BL should have more to say, or at least some reads

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

end of catchup (a surprising amount of fluff ITT) and this is usually the part where I place a vote and slap up a reads list

However as Sunset is 2 entities, yet as bound as one, I feel it is only right to consult with my alter-helios first. expect reads and a vote after we discuss things in our QT

Finally, we will not be signing our posts. Sunset is one. Sunset is eternal

~Sunset

[Vifam]

What? I've commented on Isa wagon.

[Sunset]

my mistake...
I guess you have

well you've said she doesn't ring as scum to you...

[Bunnylover]

@Sunset: I do not do catch-up post. Kinda useless to make a stand on something that has already ended imo.

The reason I think Vifam slipped is because not everyone uses their regular username in Quicktopic. Parllablock = VaniliaCupcake, would be my assumption with a Vifam scum flip.

[Sunset]

already ended?

This game will last months and you will need to analyse all the possible situations and draw conclusions from all the info if you are to catch mafiosi with us

nothing has ended.
This game is only just beginning

[Sunset]

OK, some reads for the masses:

1. Ranmaru - Haven't posted yet.
2. hiplop - Joking around a bit, votes Isa without any real reasoning. Nullscum.
3. chkflip - Only a random vote (on us, bastard).
4. Kcdapot - Haven't posted yet.
5. Vifam - He's really confused, but in a town way we think. Town.
6. David Xanatos - No real content yet.
7. TheJakalope - No content.
8. manho - He's posting good atm, but it's hard to get a read on him this early. Nulltown.
9. Parabollocks - Seems to have the town's best interest at heart. Town.
10. projectmatt - That try to start a wagon on David was terribad. This is scummy as hell (especially as David hasn't posted any content yet) and deserves a vote. Scum.
11. Riceballtail - Haven't posted yet.
12. WeyounsLastClone - Only a random vote.
13. Sunset (Twistedspoon + Johhog hydra) - Obvtown.
14. Wrathchild - Haven't posted yet.
15. Xeras - Our heads disagree here. One of our heads argues that he changes his vote a lot and is scummy while the other head think that the vote changing and the frequent use of gut is a town tell.
16. Bunnylover - As we said it isn't ended yet. Also I would like more of a catch up. Nullscum.
17. diddin - We would like to see more from this guy, but the wagon on him is scummy and his posts is decent enough, so nulltown.
18. Isa - Hm, we dunno. She/he (wtf gender change) doesn't really give me a scumvibe, so null.
19. stormer - Haven't posted yet.
20. DemonHybrid - I don't like the case on Xeras and Vifam, and he is remarkably defensive this early. Nullscum.
21. Celebloki - Haven't posted yet.
22. Hoppster - Good questions, good content and he is actively scumhunting. Town.

Also we strongly doubt that Vifam and diddin is scum together. The diddinwagon is scummy btw and we will closely monitor Xeras, Vifam and Isa.

Let's close this off with a vote on the scummiest player in our opinion, projectmatt.

VOTE: projectmatt

[stormer]

ive just read everything now and the scummiest person i see is isa, being unable to defend himself and not even bothering imo.

[Sunset]

So why do you not vote?

[Sunset]

I apologise other head, but I only skimmed the reads you proposed and now I find I disagree with some. My fault

eh, I actually don't find PM that scummy at all

It was RVS, so wagons are natural, if not pro-town

we shall discuss this dissonance in our QT

until then we'll vote a common scumread of ours - hiplop

I also don't find DH that scummy at all as well

my may review isa as well...

VOTE: hiplop

back to the QT

[Sunset]

Hm, I didn't read properly and I didn't understand it was a joke. You're right, hiplop is a good vote.

Back to the QT indeed.

[Sunset]

EBWOP: Matt's wagon on David that is.