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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sun Oct 26, 2003 4:00 pm

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1 - Mr. X [Reines]
2 - Jericho [Enforcer, SatricialBob]
1 - Rosebud [Mr. X]
4 - SatricialBob [solid074, Rosebud, Jericho, Hambone]

Not voting: 2 - [Misha, Gon]
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 4:36 am

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Bob, the fact the you chose not to get involved in that fiasco does not change the fact that you've been uninvolved in the game. Although saying it has nearly doubled your post count.
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:14 am

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Indeed, that whole argument as kinda pointless. We've had nothing to go oon and that observation on Jericho is the only possible thing I could take out of it and put forward to the town. If I had said nothing I would have been worse off.

I do however realise that I should have made myself more active earlier and I have probably brought this bandwagon on myself. I find it hard to see myself getting out of it without role-claiming so I might as well get it out of the way:

*role claims*

I am Stetzer. Yes the clunking noise on night the first was me and my slot machine. I target someone, pull the lever and probably raise both our hit points.

Now seeing that both me and Hambone have 21 extra HP, you would think that it was he who I choose as my 'target'. Not the case, I chose Reines yet Reines has 500 HP and Hambone has 521 HP.

Food for thought...
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:49 am

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*nibbles on the food for thought* Ye misspelled Setzer, btw, course then again *shrug*. Hmmm, so ye chose to heal Reines, but Hambone received it, interesting. Since Gau and Gogo's descriptions somewhat prohibit this ability and if anyone else was the 'real' Setzer they would talk up, I tend to believe SB, for now at least. Of course, that does not truly help with my deliberations as to whom to vote for, so I guess I have to go re-read the thread.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:27 am

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Well now I just think you're a poor player Bob. Nobody wanted a role-cliam. What you were supposed to do was get involved in the game.

Unvote: SatiricalBob
THat claim is good enough for now I suppose.

Gahhh, this is irritating.[/b]
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:34 pm

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Since whoever really did the clunking could counterclaim,
unvote: SatiricalBob


Maybe there's a role that can change other role's targets or something.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 1:07 pm

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What is the town's opinion of going after someone over 500 hp? It won't kill them but could at least get us valuable info? Not voting on any just a thought on that strategy I'm throwing out there.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 1:16 pm

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The claim is believable, and I think it means that, obiously, we have someone that can redirect choices.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:28 pm

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solid074 wrote:Well now I just think you're a poor player Bob. Nobody wanted a role-cliam.
That's unfair and bordering on a stupid and brainless comment. Just because I role-claimed when not necessary (or so you claim) automatically makes me a poor player?

-Participation is putting forward ideas to the town.
-I did that, I put forward a suggestion of mine and got bandwagoned further.
-=> I had to role-claim.

-I have one of those one of those unimportant roles that is just there to make things interesting.
-Revealing my role in no way puts myself at risk, puts the town at risk, puts the mafia at risk, it just reveals information!
-I role claimed for 2 reasons: To
unbandwagon
myself, and to reveal
information
regarding the role blocker/stealer/whatever.

Although you have 4 times my post count in this thread, all you have done is cause a big argument that has doen nothing but annoy the hell out of us bystanders. Yet in my short post count I have given the town something worthwhile to discuss. So who is the poor player here?

BTW, I noticed that after revealing my opinion on Jericho, I got two further votes. One from Jericho which is probably a standard omgus vote, no problem there but also Hambone...

That, to me, suggests that even then he had something to hide, possibly that he knew about the connection between me, him and the stolen HP. Either way I think he has something to hide.

Unvote: Jericho
Vote: Hambone
Slap: Solid074
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:20 am

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Um.... something caught my attention
Hambone wrote:with 10 players alive (well, above 0 hp), i refuse to lynch anyone that wont give us more information for day 2. So that removes Rosebud, myself, and SatiricalBob.
stays until Serpent returns and convinces me to change it.
And
Hambone wrote:Vote: SatiricalBob
For his brutal excuse for voting
Now if thats not a 180degree turn around, I dont know what is
Granted, the reason of SatiricalBob vote is silly since this is a blind game, and could sway a fence sitter, but is thats really suspicious enough to turn someone like Hambone around who "refuse" to vote for stomeone with over 500hp? (yeah, i admit, that might have something to do with saving his own butt, but looks pretty inconsistent to me)

But from his initial reaction to the increased hp,
Hambone wrote:hmm, i have 521 hp? cool
he seems pretty surprised

btw, SatiricalBob, does your slot machine have anything to do with the lost of gil reported by Hambone? (it is Hambone who said they lost some coins right?)
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:44 am

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so wait, did the slot machine have something to do with Hambone's loss of gil? I don't see Bob saying it explicitly, or I wouldn't ask.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:02 pm

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SatiricalBob wrote:Indeed, that whole argument as kinda pointless. We've had nothing to go oon and that observation on Jericho is the only possible thing I could take out of it and put forward to the town. If I had said nothing I would have been worse off.
Huh? If the four of us who were voting for you believe your reasoning was garbage, how would you have been worse off for not spewing garbage into the thread?
SatiricalBob wrote:I do however realise that I should have made myself more active earlier and I have probably brought this bandwagon on myself. I find it hard to see myself getting out of it without role-claiming so I might as well get it out of the way:

*role claims*
Yeah, well, I'm not sure I believe the role-claim. Firstly, he screwed up the name of the character, something that'd be pretty tough to do if it was in your role PM. Then, he describes an ability that he could've very easily made up based on the Night resolution post. Third, he claims responsibility for an ability that did not function in the manner in which he says it should've. I don't buy it.
SatiricalBob wrote:Although you have 4 times my post count in this thread, all you have done is cause a big argument that has doen nothing but annoy the hell out of us bystanders. Yet in my short post count I have given the town something worthwhile to discuss. So who is the poor player here?
What was so "worthwhile" that you put forward precisely? Seems to me you got bandwagonned instead, not discussed. Stop trying to paint yourself a great player... you were lurking and you got busted, so you jumped out with a bad theory and got busted even further. You haven't done squat to help us in this game, so stop claiming otherwise.
SatiricalBob wrote:BTW, I noticed that after revealing my opinion on Jericho, I got two further votes. One from Jericho which is probably a standard omgus vote, no problem there but also Hambone...
Yeah, you got two further votes because you were full of crap and people realized it... and now you're trying to weasel your way out of the situation by throwing suspicion around as fast as possible. Your reasons for this vote aren't any better than the reasons for your last vote, which means I'm perfectly happy with where
my
vote is.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:23 pm

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1 - Mr. X [Reines]
1 - Jericho [Enforcer]
1 - Rosebud [Mr. X]
1- Hambone [SatricialBob]
2 - SatricialBob [Jericho, Hambone]

Not voting: 4 - [Misha, Gon, solid074,Rosebud]

~marker~, deadline is tomorrow! Remember that the person with
the most votes
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:55 pm

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Now if thats not a 180degree turn around
I made an exception because he sounded like he was full of shit.
Yes, it was me who commented on lost Gil, and i'd like it back, so if someone could help me out it'd be much appreciated.
Also, for the record, i have no idea why my hp is 521, and not 500, but i'm not complaining as it is an effective one attack protection. This is of course assuming a night kill (or daykill?) only remove 500 hp.
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:37 am

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Bluntly put, unless someone counters the claim that he was the one that increased two people's hitpoints last night, I will believe Satirical. This also means that I don't want him lynched, as he would be innocent. Lynching Hambone does no good, same for Rosebud. I find little to be suspicious of in Mr. X/Serpent's behavior, so
vote:Jericho
. No other path makes sense to me with a deadline near that otherwise will kill someone I fully believe to be innocent.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:35 pm

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1 - Mr. X [Reines]
2 - Jericho [Enforcer, Misha]
1 - Rosebud [Mr. X]
1- Hambone [SatricialBob]
2 - SatricialBob [Jericho, Hambone]


Not voting: 3 - [Gon, solid074,Rosebud]

SatricialBob had the most votes before Jericho did, therefore he's lynched.


"But wait! I'm Setzer!"
Bob moaned. Too late, he was struck at with a loss of 500 HP. He is now at
21 HP.
He is bleeding badly, and he might not recover from his wound.

It is now
NIGHT TWO. CHOICES DUE BY SATURDAY AT NOON EST.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:10 am

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11:00 PM: Cure 1 is cast. Reines is the reciever of this gift of
100 more HP. Reines is at
600 HP.[/b]

12:34 AM: A cute little white blob steps up to the plate near SatiricialBob.
"
Please....I bleed. I want to live.
" claims Bob, but the white blob dances. SatiricialBob then dies. His last words...."I....am...Setzer."

SatiricialBob is AT 0 HP.


1:15 AM: A shadow slips into Enforcer's room, that is "fit for a king". While he's sleeping, a knife is shoved into his heart. A loss of 500 HP appears on the board, and Enforcer is at 0 HP and may not post.



You are Setzer. An old coot set on gambling, you can't stop. Each night, you choose a person - and pull the handle on the slot machine. Each slot has two different symbols - a bomb-ish looking one and some sort of fire-lookin' thing. You have a 1:2 chance of getting each symbol on each of the three slots. You DO know that if you get a combination of the different ones (Example: Bomb, Bomb, Fire) you and the person you target get an additional amount of HP. Win condition: All non-goody-goodys dead. You begin with 700 Gil.

PM me to confirm and with any questions.


You are King Edgar. Quite a hit with the ladies, you are! Any votes by a GIRL at you during the day will be negated. (And by girl, I mean a girl character from the game. Not in real life.) You begin with 700 Gil. Win condition: All non-goody-goodys dead.

PM me to confirm and with any questions.


It's now Day Two. Post and vote! With 8 alive, it is now 5 to lynch.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:12 pm

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Playa' haters!
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:56 pm

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hahahaha that's a sick role... what a pimp...
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:12 pm

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I guess that narrow's the possibilities for Gon's role. It also narrows the possibility for anyone who voted Enforcer. I'll have to look back and figure out exactly who that is.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2003 2:20 pm

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Jericho, solid, and hambone have to be playing male characters. Gon has to be playing female. That said, I still find quite a few of you suspicious, especially after yesterday's lynching of someone that can act (somewhat) as a doctor, without anyone refuting their claim.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sun Nov 02, 2003 12:26 am

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Well, we're down to one visible healer and up to three possible killers. (Anyone able to identify the white blob?) Ick.

FOS: Jericho
for voting for Bob and being voted for by Enforcer.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2003 5:01 am

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What does enforcer have to do with it? His role could only get subgroup information. And, so far as I know, Jericho has not violated that.

I just read back over some of Jericho's posts to confirm that he didn't role-claim and was reminded of what I didn't like about Jericho in the first place. And now I'm more convinced than ever that he's scum. I'm going to try to be careful here, as carelessness cost us time in the past. Here goes(forgive the heavy quoting, I don't want anyone to take my word for it):
solid074 wrote:
Enforcer wrote:Honestly, why the heck would I, with no attention on me, stand up and throw FOS's around if I was mafia. It would be the most retarded mafia play ever, especially on Day One with cops around.
This fits in very nicely with my theory that you are, in fact, a retard.

Actually one of the things that makes me ludicrously suspicious of Enforcer is Rhino's death, though indirectly. It would make sense that an anti-town would do it to frame Enforcer(Good use of a day kill actually) but the evidence swings against that. Rhino was an investigative role. Which means that last night he found out about something. Then he quietly put his vote on enforcer with no explanation and left it sitting there. Very often an investigator does that because he got lucky and found scum, but doesn't want to reveal himself if he doesn't have to. Now that he's dead and we know it makes it seem very logical that he would be scum, though it doesn't explain the motive behind the death.

So what else could this mean? I like to play my own devil's advocate. It could mean that the mafia is trying to disassociate from Enforcer, not likely this early in the game, unless they think his stupidity is that much of a liability. Perhaps he belongs to a seperate evil group. That would fit in with the mafia trying to frame him and an investigation finding him evil. Which brings another possibility to mind. Enforcer could be a good role that would appear bad based on his abilities. We don't know how much Rhino knew about the game. Maybe he got a result like "Enforcer can steal" and figured that a thief had to be evil, when in fact he was Locke, who is a good guy.

So yeah, the evidence can be interpretted for Enforcer.

By the way, I wasn't "Testing" anyone. I'm being this abusive because you really are that stupid.

Unvote: Enforcer, Vote: Jericho for engaging in the all too easy practice of Enforcer bashing.
Jericho wrote:OK, I'm using msword to compose my posts from now on so you guys will quit complaining about my spelling and typing. Sorry for that. :)

The more I hear from enforcer the more I think he's not scum, just arrogant. But solid's right, he is still very suspicious looking because of Rhinos death. unvote enforcer and FoS: enforcer
solid074 wrote:Of all the reactions I thought to get out of Jericho this one was not what I expected.

I expected him to complain that first day votes are rarely better than random, or to defend his vote for Enforcer as being somehow logical. The first I couldn't have refuted(Though it wouldn't have done a whole lot for making him look innocent). The second, who knows what would have happened. But for some reason he takes a third approach that I didn't expect at all.

Instead he retracts his vote, but leaves an FoS. As if to say "Gee, he's got a point, this does look suspicious, I'd better back off. I'll leave an FoS to make it look like I'm still following my own line of reasoning though.". Which of course moves him higher up my scum list for trying to do things that
look
non-scummy rather than things that
are
non-scummy.
solid074 wrote:Did I mention that Jericho apparently missed the ramifications of the "Devil's advocate" part of my post?

My point was that ultimately, I couldn't really interpret the data satisfactorily, and Occcam's razor was no help, so I was left to wonder what the motives were behind Rhino's vote and the cause of his subsequent death.
To which I got this response...
Jericho wrote:Enforcer mightve acted arrogant, but solid's a tool. Solid is one of those thick-headed morons who are convinced that in order to play mafia well you have to form an opinion and then develop a case of chronic tunnel vision and never ever change your mind no matter what anyone says. He also is the Greatest Mafia Player of All Time because he has everything figured out and has "moved me up his scum list", as if anyone cares. Whatever. :roll:

Are you mith?
So here's my argument restated with a little extra perspective. I gave a two paragraph discussion of Rhino's death, as is my wont. midway through I decided to play devil's advocate, changed my mind(as evidenced by my admittance: "So yeah, the evidence can be interpretted for Enforcer."). To all of this Jericho replied that he agreed. For starters there was nothing to agree with. At most, my argument was ambivalent. And somebody who did not wish to misrepresent me would have noticed that. On top of that(and this is hindsight) he agreed with an argument that turned out to be against an innocent(Not quite as powerful an allegation, I know). I even called him on this at the time, adding in how he didn't defend his vote or say "it was only random", which was a rather poorly formed argument. I still stand behind the logic, but understand why it was misinterpretted. Never mind. The next thing that happened was that Jericho called me "A tool" and "One of those thick-headed morons", implied that I thought I was "The Greatest Mafia Player of All Time" and then said that nobody cares what I think even though I represented one tenth of the towns voting power at the time. Basically it was an inflammatory post that I believe was composed specifically to make me angry, and I have further evidence to this based on similar tactics taken with others.
Jericho wrote:cos bandwagonings how you get infromation o nthe first day. no one looks suspicius the first day so you bandwagon someone to see how pepole vote and then maybe someone looks suspicius from that. fos misha
This seemed to be a more general attempt to make "players" angry. Perhaps it was directed at Misha, who responded the most to it.

This one, on the other hand, seems like it was a fairly direct attempt to make Enforcer angry. And it worked. Notice how this time, when somebody took the bait, he kept going with it for a while.(I haven't quoted that part as it would include a huge chunk of the thread, sorry)
Jericho wrote:
Enforcer wrote:FOS: Jericho because it was, in fact, too early to bandwagon. Bandwagons are based usually on suspicious behavior, but yours was groundless. Fearing serpents doesn't count

I reccomend a bandwagon on one of these three.
wow i didnt know you were in charge cos your telling evreyone when to vote in this gmae. unvote, vote enforcer
Basically, I think Jericho has been playing the town from day one, and I'm sorry I helped him so much by wasting so much time.
Vote: Jericho
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:06 am

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solid074 wrote:What does enforcer have to do with it? His role could only get subgroup information. And, so far as I know, Jericho has not violated that.
If that's directed towards me, it's mostly based on the not-too-great logic that if Jericho were scum, he might want to eliminate people voting for him yesterday. Not that I've used that particular strategy when I'm scum, but it's the best I could come up with at the time.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:43 pm

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I agree with solid.
Vote: Jericho
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