Mini 218-KotOR- game over

[Lt. Origen]

VM: Then you're still missing a role or two, because there are ten playable characters in the game, and if Revan is dark side, there are nine, since you kill Juhani. Since we have twelve players, you're still missing roles even if you add in Malak. That would either require a 4-man mafia, or at least one non-crew townie, neither of which seem likely scenarios to me.

The numbers really don't support the idea that the mafia contains any more than one crew member, and even that is doubtful.

[Fritzler]

I dunno, if it wasn't for that then I'd say you could mass claim and win easily for the town. I think Coron is smarter than that. He would add non ship members as pro town. Maybe part of th ejedi counsel. Maybe Malak is sk, and those three are scum.
If revan is dark side you have to kill a bumch of people, not just Juhani. So that would make 11. 1 non playable townie makes sense to me. Other wise it would be way to broken.

[Lt. Origen]

You don't kill them until you get to the planet near the Star Forge, though. On the other hand, I suppose you don't necessarily have to kill Juhani until then, either, it's just more dark side-ish to kill her early.

The Jedi Council would make a lot more sense if this was KotOR II, but it isn't. The council didn't make any move to kill Revan.

I do find it rather interesting that people seem rather attached to the idea of Revan being dark side, though. Not to mention that none of the suggested mafias include Canderous, for some reason, despite the fact that he's not too different from HK.

Arrgh. I'm really not a fan of starting in day. Too little info to work from.

[Fritzler]

Knowing Coron I think he would add small charactres in as pro-town. Maybe the girl who gets lost on the ship. Or one of the duelists in that arena. I don't know though.
Oh, you're right I forgot how early you kill Juhani. Hmmm. And I completely understand what you mean about to little info.

[Glork]

*rigs noose up to lynching post*


So, ah... who wants to kill me?

[mathcam]

Well, for the sake of expediency, you could do the honors, Glork.

Cam

[Coron]

New Page Vote Count
Glork(StrykkerVerde, fritz VM, brian, cam) 5
pbug()
StrykkerVerde()
Scalebane()
BJ()
alko(Lt. Origen) 1
SapphireVerde(alko) 1
Fritz()
7 to lynch

[PBuG]

Glork, you're two away, not one. I'm confused, are you at the point where you

want

to be lynched?

[Glork]

I'm at the point where I've made my case as best as I can, and if the town isn't going to believe me, then there's no point in trying to drag things out. A couple of us have tried to instigate outside conversation, but it has paled in comparison to the discussion of lynching me. If the town thinks I need to die, then I should die, regardless of what I want. If being a forced vig really

is

going to be a detriment to the town, then yes, I deserve to day. It's the town's verdict, not mine alone. That's really all I have to say on that.

[Glork]

I'm at the point where I've made my case as best as I can, and if the town isn't going to believe me, then there's no point in trying to drag things out. A couple of us have tried to instigate outside conversation, but it has paled in comparison to the discussion of lynching me. If the town thinks I need to die, then I should die, regardless of what I want. If being a forced vig really

is

going to be a detriment to the town, then yes, I deserve

to be lynched today

. It's the town's verdict, not mine alone. That's really all I have to say on that.

The red part is fixed. Somehow part of that text got eaten up or something.

[al_kohaulec]

Hey, *someone* in the game had to be HK. I just picked a very coincidental moment to bring it up. Another argument in favor of his being truthful about his name, though, is that there aren't enough playable characters to go around, but his rolename hasn't been counter-claimed.

I'm quite aware that the reasoning isn't iron-clad, but I do think it pulls him out of the 'zomg autolynch' category that many people seem to have put him into. At the very least, we should poke other people and see how they react before we lynch him. We've done very little except for talk about him practically since the beginning of the game, and the mafia just love it when people spend all their time talking about people who aren't them.

About the couner claim. Let's say for instance I am HK, why would I even want to counterclaim when I would most likely be an SK and not want to be lynched?

Also, I agree that we should try to figure out more about other players and not just Ajax, but we shouldn't just ignore him for now, we need to keep an eye on Ajax because he very well could be an SK.

Trust me, if there's one role in KotOR that you DON'T fake a claim on, it's HK-47. ... but claiming HK is the surest way to get yourself hung, which is why I think that it's signifigant that he did. Either he's telling the truth, or he's an SK with a solid-iron set of wedding tackle.

Not necessarily, as you always can say "I'd be crazy to fake claim this, thus, I must tell the truth" Wrong. This is egzactly the type of defense, that pulls such "dangerous" claims the teeth. I do not say I do not believe him, I just wanted that the town remembers, that the claim is not necessarily true, that it had anomalies, the funny they may be, and thats a warning signal.

Yes, we've already agreed that if I'm an SK, that would be the ballsiest move anybody's seen in a long time. I won't deny that it's a possibility. But I will note that I'm trying to make a conscious effort to discern the best course of action for the town. I think it's keeping me alive so that I can get extra lynch-hits in at night. Then again, my perspective is also skewed in that I'd rather stay alive and be a part of the game. So obviously everything I say is giong to be taken with a grain of salt, since I'm the most suspicious character right now.

<SnIp>

It would be a ballsy move, but with the situation you were in, if you were SK or mafia or something, I think it would've been a pretty smart move actually. And of course your making an effort to help out the town, because if you were doing otherwise, you would've been seen as doing so and would've been lynched by now. As for having you as a second lynch, that is good for us if we are sure you're a vig. But if you're an SK, you really wouldn't care who you kill off now would you? Just as long as it got in extra kills and eventually got everybody else killed off before you die.

Oh and also, sorry for being inactive. I've been kind of busy, and haven't been doing much in many of the games I've been in.

I find mathcam suspicious because he won't say why I'm suspicious.

I think there you should be better reasons for thinking somebody is suspicious than just that. However he should still explain his reasoning for thinking that you're suspicious.

If I get hanged and turn up as a cit, then we see a mafia hit tonight, we'll be looking at 3 mafiates, 7 townies, and relatively little to go on.

Ahem. How do we know there's 3 scum? While it's possible, the town is never sure how many scummies are out there. Only the scum know exactly how many there are out there. A slip?

One other person I find suspicious is Lt. Origen, but only because he's defending Glork, whom I find ultimo-suspicious right now.

P.S. Where did Mathcam go? It's not like him to post infrequently and with little content.

About the 3 scum, that is merely speculation. It's true that we don't know for sure how many scum there are, but we can assume based off of the number of players that are in the game how many exist. For example, if there were 4 mafiates in a 12 player game, that would sound very overpowered, and 2 sounds like too few. So 3 sounds very ideal to me. It is more questionable in other mafia games, but I believe this one would have 3 mafia unless if there's a lot of cits with really good roles.

And as for Lt. Origen, I find that interesting. I agree that if he has been defending Glork, and if and only if Glork turns up as mafia, than Lt. will be very suspicious looking. But If Glork is an SK/Vig or something other than that, I would just ignore it for the most part.




As for my suspicions, they are Brain, Sapphire, and umm.... . I forgot the third one. Oh yeah, Fritz. This is Glork being put aside. I'll try to post why I'm suspicious of them later.

As for lynching Glork, I think he is going to be a hinderance to the town wether he's anti-town (obviously) or a forced vig. Also, it would take quite a bit to find somebody else that we think is scum and lynch them without any more information.

Unvote: sapphireverde.

I'll vote for Glork, but I want to explain my reasoning for my suspicions (and if I think of anything else to talk about) before I help end the day.

[al_kohaulec]

I lost my notes on this game. Now I'm not going to be able to remember anything. Hopefully I still have my role in my PM box.

Anyways.

Fritz: If I remember correctly, my suspicions were mostly from him wildly voting me in the beginning for doing essentially the same thing as Glork, when he did nothing to Glork. I can't remember if he did anything else I found suspicious or not. I think he did, but I can't remember it (cause I lost my notes :cries:).

Brian: He is really pushing Glork being mafia, especially after we have all gone through so much discussion as to why he was most likely not mafia and either SK or vig. He also really seemed to push lynching him even though the whole vig possibillity is still out there. I just don't like how much he's been pushing the Glork is mafia thing, when he was most likely not mafia.

SapphireVerde: Umm.. I forgot this one too, I'm sure if you looked at my post where I voted for sapphire, I explained it there, but otherwise I can't remember my reasoning right now.

Well, to finish off, I'll

vote: Glork

and try to recreate my lost notes.

[Glork]

If I get hanged and turn up as a cit, then we see a mafia hit tonight, we'll be looking at 3 mafiates, 7 townies, and relatively little to go on.

Ahem. How do we know there's 3 scum? While it's possible, the town is never sure how many scummies are out there. Only the scum know exactly how many there are out there. A slip?

One other person I find suspicious is Lt. Origen, but only because he's defending Glork, whom I find ultimo-suspicious right now.

P.S. Where did Mathcam go? It's not like him to post infrequently and with little content.

About the 3 scum, that is merely speculation. It's true that we don't know for sure how many scum there are, but we can assume based off of the number of players that are in the game how many exist. For example, if there were 4 mafiates in a 12 player game, that would sound very overpowered, and 2 sounds like too few. So 3 sounds very ideal to me. It is more questionable in other mafia games, but I believe this one would have 3 mafia unless if there's a lot of cits with really good roles.

And as for Lt. Origen, I find that interesting. I agree that if he has been defending Glork, and if and only if Glork turns up as mafia, than Lt. will be very suspicious looking. But If Glork is an SK/Vig or something other than that, I would just ignore it for the most part.

This is the only part of your post that I have a

real

[Glork]

Well, before someone piles the last vote on me, I just want to post my suspicions. Take them for what they're worth. Hopefully you'll take them into more serious consideration once I'm dead.

First and foremost is Brian McQueso. His attacks seem justified at the moment, but he is also trying to loop in the only guy who's really defended me at all: Lt. Origen. When I die and turn up cit, McQ will likely drop his charges against Origen (and he'll probably turn his focus towards Sapphire). However, I hope that his over-focused, uber-aggressive re-railing of the bandwagon against me won't go unnoticed. His posts were well-written and probably rather convincing. But chalk that up to his rhetoric skill. I hope you take a long, serious look at McQ when I'm gone, because he's my big scum target right now.

I still think Fritzler deserves a bit of scrutiny for his inconsistency earlier in the game (Al_kohaulec mentoined this), as well as his "2 left to lynch Glork!" during the first bandwagon against me. Other than those two questionable votes and his brief discussion of the chracter roles, he's really not tried to contribute much. Now granted, he's not on the same lurking level as, say, SapphireVerde, but I don't like his Day-One antics.

Sapphire's been lurking, and has been on several people's scum list, including my own. There's probably a very good reason for that. If numerous people think she's scummy, then she seems like a reasonably good lynch candidate.

I don't think Scalebane is posted yet. He's probably inactive for a good reason, but just keep that in mind... it's possible that he just decided to slip under the radar completely on Day One, since he never needed to show his face.



Oh, and I'm just going to post a pre-emptive "I told you I didn't lie about my role" and finish the job on myself. I'm done wasting my time here.

GG everybody, and good luck fellow townies.

Official Vote: Glork.

Man. I've never Glork'd

myself

before......

[Glork]

Uh... ignore that snippet that became Post Subject 137. I was going to comment on that part of al's post, but then I realized that I misread his post. I have no idea how that part of a sentence got posted, though.

[Coron]

Glork was indeed HK-47 forced vig as you send him out the hatch he says "I'll be back you traitorous meatbags"!
it is now night 1.

[Coron]

REMEMBER YOU SEND A PM IN CHOICE OR NO CHOICE.
I am missing one person.
I will give you 3 days from now then I will prod you by pm wait 3 more days then you will be replaced.

thnx
Coron

[mathcam]

Sorry for the hijack, but it's pretty sad that we're on the second page of minis here. Coron?

Cam

[Coron]

Ouch, you are correct, however, please in the future use the PM system.

This will be opening hopefully within the next two hours, thanks for the prod, but please do it by pm.

Thnx
-Mod

[Coron]

Sorry for the delay again...
You all wake up... well most of you do anyway. After doing a head count you count 10 people alive. Lt. Origen is missing. After investigating this you find out he was Joli Bindo, the wise neutral jedi. He was for the town and used jedi mind tricks to obtain items from people that would give hints about their role.

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch and 5 to no lynch.

[VisMaior]

Ack! A long night indeed Ill have to reread the thread to familiarize myself with this game again ...

[Lt. Origen]

Bleh. I waited two weeks just to be dead?

[BabyJesus]

vote al_kohaulec

[PBuG]

Vote: StrykkerVerde

I am Mission, a small girl a may follow someone each night. I followed StrykkerVerde. He entered Lt. Origen's room last night and didn't leave for a while.

[PBuG]

I meant to say "and I may", not "a may", lol.