Ok. Hello everyone, I'm Johnny. I'm one of your SE's. Generally SE's are not here to teach, but I'll answer any questions directed at me. You have my word that I will not lie to you unless your question directly affects my win condition. Above all else, though, I'm here to win.
Anyways, I will now spoiler every thought that goes through my head as I read through the thread. There'll probably be a tl;dr after, but I'll make no promises. You'll also forgive me if I repeat anything that someone has already said.
Important posts will be linked or quoted
Open with two random votes, null.
My replacee asks the kind of RQ's that I hate. I'm not answering them and I advise you all call someone out next time they ask such useless questions.
An IC I haven't played with
this'll be fun
The first vote that doesn't seem to be random from MissMaggot. She refuses the RQs, I like her.
nhammen asks GOOD RQs. I'll be watching to make sure they are answered. (Even though two of them are aimed at my former self -.-)
I admire nhammen's candor and honesty
here. I hope he isn't scum.
17 is another good post from MM
gahh my former self talked a lot. I especially dislike 20. SE's should know better.
Town points for Happy Canine. 23 is good.
Town points along with good reasoning. MM has to be town.
↑ Wiibox3 wrote:I didn't want to look all OMGUS. lol. Since it's random voting time I chose Nekoko.
NO. Town don't worry about looking scummy. Bad wiibox. Bad.
Fluff too? I'm not sure I like Wiibox.
nhammen took care of my last two points immediately -.-
33 has me thinking that maybe wii is more newbie than scummy...
ewo comes late to the party and only repeats other people stating that his top scumreads are the top two wagons. Convenient.
↑ Venrob wrote:Well im late. Seems 2 good places to put my vote, both ill have an explaination for...
IC bw, just for being an IC. IC makes good town, but much better scum!
RQS starter bw.
RQS-RANDOM QUESTIONING STAGE
RQS can help the maf in more ways than are obvious.
1.Questions on playstyle for one: maf might look at their answer, maybe find something off from how they are playing? People play different with different roles. Maf might sniff out a power role!
2.Answers containing accidental softclaims:
Not often, but ive seen RQS with an unintentional softclaim, then the maf killed them. Doctor died that way.
Out of these BW's, i go with 2.
Vote: Nekoko
THIS IS AN L-1 VOTE.
if i counted right.
This post is a meeeeeeeeeeeessss. Not killing the IC for no reason. Just sheeping is a bad idea. There's just nothing good in this post.
The subsequent vote by glad pooch and questioning by my past self are to be expected.
↑ Wiibox3 wrote:As for the point of not supporting a wagon before everyone has posted yet, I thought I was pretty clear as to why I didn't, though you said it was a scummy reason. But one thing I have learned from my last couple games is that it is that scum likes to try and make town players look scummy early in the first day. This same thing happened in my last game here on mafiascum that one of the SEs called me scummy for voting an OMGUS vote in the RVS, he turned out to be Mafia in the end.
OMGUS by itself is a pretty weak accusation of scum. Even weaker if you own up to it. Never let that scare you away from voting or pressuring someone.
Rob's noisy... I can't really tell if this act is genuine...
Pasche, as your co-SE, I gotta say
50's accusation doesn't hold much water. It's pretty common for newbies to focus on every little thing that deals with them, so accusing one of making a big deal out of the closest thing to a quality accusation against her looks more like you're trying to paint a red "S" on her now rather that the lower case "n" that her response actually deserves. Also that last sentence just screams "I'm gonna bring this up again later and try to get you killed for it."
↑ Wiibox3 wrote:@ Paschendale - Giving SE advice to us newbies is nice, but that last post was a downright scummy way of doing it. Thanks for the info, but jeez.
Why is
53 scummy?
nhammen,
57 caused me to notice that you haven't actually taken a stance on anyone yet. Your votes are only pressure votes so far and you haven't outwardly stated any opinion. Would you like to? (That's nice guy talk for gimme your reads. Ignore this if you actually did later)
Also you mentioned what I did about ewo earlier. How can I be the cool smart guy if you're takin all my thunder?
Pasche, you're not
committing to any stances. It's annoying.
ewo comes in and says everything I've been saying about Pasche. Frick. I may not have many original thoughts by the end of this read. BUT! You're reads have changed again to match the biggest wagons.
70 from Pasche isn't good. Denies being wishy-washy, which is wrong. Tries to refute MM's "scripted" comment even though it's not all that big a deal. Calls it a "baseless attack" when really he could have ignored it and I wouldn't have even looked twice. Overdefensive SE's smell funny.
And
74 is trying to discredit those that suspect him. Pasche is looking like he'll get my vote by the end of this.
And now we're
pushing what looks like an angry newbie? As scum? THE SCUMMIEST to top it off?
*sigh* Once again nhammen comes in and steals my comment about ewo. Oh well. Also, what's the point of indulging Pasche's weak little defense with that rule confirmation?
↑ Cheery Dog wrote:I happen to find this bit of your post to be the scummiest sentence so far this game, but it's not enough for me to move my vote.
But no vote?
84 seems a bit opportunistic from wiibox, but I may wait on that to see how rob reacts.
grrr
85 is irking me. "Too early" doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me. If you found my slot scummy, you should have voted it. Clearly it's not a great read if you're that cautious. Also, what moved Maggot from "Town" to "Null" in your reads?
86 just seems condescending from Pasche. "I don't want to kill her, I just want her to know she's wrong"? Who was making a big deal out of this again?
This talk about the scumQT is relatively useless and I'm kind of annoyed that it took up half a page.
95 is WIFOMing hard, but it's decently unlikely that he would have made such a big deal about scum not being able to talk when in fact they could. My vote goes somewhere else.
nhammen actually explains his stance for the first time in 99 and takes care of my question to upbeat mutt. I obviously agree with his vote to ewo as I've basically mirrored his thoughts above.
Rob chimes in with a courtesy unvote when I get here. Nice, but I would have preferred the vote go somewhere else.
[url-
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4289500]110[/url] from ewo is iffy. I agree that nhammen deserves a vote, but definitely not for not knowing the rules. I believe this is his first game as an IC, so not knowing the entire setup isn't exactly a punish-worthy offense.
Rob posts a defense without voting. I'm beginning to think he may be scum.
Pashce thinks I'm a good target.
I couldn't have put
this better myself. Merry Pug is the townest of the players.
MM's 114 and 118 are just intimidating. You'll scare us helpless replacements away
*whew* That was fun. Surprising amount of content for D1. I like it.
tl;dr:
Town:
MM, Cheery Dog
Null:
Pasche, wii, jambecca, rob
Pasche seemed really scummy to me before it was revealed that he was straight up wrong about his ridiculous argument with MM. I'm not willing to dispel all suspicion, but I do acknowledge that he's a lot less suspicious now.
Rob is teetering between newbtown and null-scum for me. We'll see once Jambecca posts and he has no more excuses. Unless he really impresses me, I'd actually be fine with a policy lynch.
Scum:
ewo, nhammen
ewo and nhammen are not partners, but one of them is probably scum. I'm not confident pinning down the partner just yet.
nhammen is doing what skilled scum often do: ask a lot of questions without actually taking many stances. Quick, somebody tell me what he thinks of anybody not called rob or ewo? you can't.
VOTE: nhammen
As for ewo, I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said.
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"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
