↑Llamarble wrote:CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.
Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.
^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.
Why is it interesting whether I have followed a line of reasoning before?
↑Llamarble wrote:Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.
Or scum, don't want to be the only one pushing a foolish train.
I think this is an inferior explanation of Johhog's post.
↑Llamarble wrote:Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.
Really the self deprecation, seems like an easy excuse to later say... BLJhsdjGHZJDGJZ i SUCK at reading people...
see how consistent I am?
Fair enough; this is not a ridiculous idea, but why would scum do that?
↑Tierce wrote:
@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?
There is only so much time in a day.
↑Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.
↑Llamarble wrote:CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.
Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.
^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.
Why is it interesting whether I have followed a line of reasoning before?
↑Llamarble wrote:Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.
Or scum, don't want to be the only one pushing a foolish train.
I think this is an inferior explanation of Johhog's post.
↑Llamarble wrote:Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.
Really the self deprecation, seems like an easy excuse to later say... BLJhsdjGHZJDGJZ i SUCK at reading people...
see how consistent I am?
Fair enough; this is not a ridiculous idea, but why would scum do that?
↑Tierce wrote:
@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?
There is only so much time in a day.
↑Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.
I don't reccomend the "Invitational 12 drinking game"; I'm just not Equinox.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:22 am
by Shadoweh
Half prod dodge until tonight.
I didn't say I suck at reading people, just Tierce. Luckily every other person on the site is pretty good at finding scumTierce so I'm set.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:35 am
by DeasVail
↑Empire wrote:Um ok, it didn't come across that way at all to me given what seemed to be a serious tone. What do you think of Konowa's and Llamarble's votes on you? Do you see them as being opportunistic as well or something else?
Konowa's leaning town so far. I think his vote for me was ok, but we'll see. Llamarble's vote I don't know what to think of, but I don't like how he hasn't done anything with it after your unvote.
Why do you think he's scum?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:09 am
by Empire
↑DeasVail wrote:Why do you think [Llamarble]'s scum?
Benmage summed it up pretty succintly in #104 but to add onto that -- I really don't like his list of reads and the rationale behind them in #82 + #96. I think they're pretty shallow and he sometimes focuses on things that aren't alignment indicative at all. For example, Benmage "commenting on relevant things" doesn't seem like anything that would even remotely shed light on his alignment and the CTD scumread for the link within a "short thought" post gave me a wat reaction. It just reminds me of his early play in TM 2012 White Flag where he mostly just commented on meaningless things and his scumhunting came off as superficial.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:24 am
by DeasVail
Unvote: Empire
Vote: Llamarble
I don't really get the problem with 82 (as far as the whole 'look how town I am' thing goes), but the others things are alright.
↑Llamarble wrote:Benmage is commenting on relevant things.
What?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:09 am
by Johhog
I'm half inclined to actually do something with my vote, but I don't want penguin_alien to escape by just lurking so this was a completely unnecessary post.
Empire wrote:And obviously, I don't view my vote as opportunistic at all -- for example, I didn't vote DV because he's an "easy target" (and I'd argue that he isn't an easy target in this roster given that most everyone here knows him and how he plays).
That's my point. I think calling DV's vote on me opportunistic was a mischaracterization on your part (unless you think I'm an easy target for some reason). I'm willing to take it as a poor choice of words at this point though as your contributions apart from this issue have been decent.
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Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?
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Llamarble wagon seems to be the most interesting thing going on.
unvote, vote: Llamarble
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:37 pm
by Johhog
↑CrashTextDummie wrote:Johog, why are you singling out penguin_alien for lurking?
I'm not. But I'm voting him, and I don't want to see him escape by me unvoting him just because he's not showing up.
↑Johhog wrote:Sorry, thought I did. You're making up things as you go.
But you don't think I'm scum?
Obviously I do.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:54 pm
by DeasVail
I don't know, I think that your Penguin vote is weird considering there's someone else who you actually think is scum. (I don't really imagine you having a super strong read from that one post, but I could be wrong I guess)
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:19 pm
by Llamarble
↑Benmage wrote:
Oh And Llamarable what was this on again:?
↑Llamarble wrote:Benmage is commenting on relevant things.
What?
Somebody had asked what pro-town behaviors in this game I was referring to when I recalled your usefulness being negatively correlated with your being town.
I already explained my CTD vote. He made what looked like a quick reaction post, but the way he used a link made it feel like he put more time into it.
"Posts that are constructed to make the poster look like they're in a different mindset than they actually are" is approximately equal to "posts by scum"
Empire wrote:
↑DeasVail wrote:Why do you think [Llamarble]'s scum?
Benmage summed it up pretty succintly in #104 but to add onto that -- I really don't like his list of reads and the rationale behind them in #82 + #96. I think they're pretty shallow and he sometimes focuses on things that aren't alignment indicative at all. For example, Benmage "commenting on relevant things" doesn't seem like anything that would even remotely shed light on his alignment and the CTD scumread for the link within a "short thought" post gave me a wat reaction. It just reminds me of his early play in TM 2012 White Flag where he mostly just commented on meaningless things and his scumhunting came off as superficial.
I think I did a good job imitating my townplay at the beginning of TM12.
You can wat all you like, but I am smart and look at things others don't consider. Simple != unimportant.
You need to read more closely; the relevance of Benmage commenting on relevant things was already available in my posts.
DeasVail wrote:
↑Empire wrote:Um ok, it didn't come across that way at all to me given what seemed to be a serious tone. What do you think of Konowa's and Llamarble's votes on you? Do you see them as being opportunistic as well or something else?
Konowa's leaning town so far. I think his vote for me was ok, but we'll see. Llamarble's vote I don't know what to think of, but I don't like how he hasn't done anything with it after your unvote.
Why should it matter to me whom others are voting for?
I am confident in my ability to prevent a lynch on a townread / cause one on a scumread when the time comes, and the time definitely has not come yet.
Benmage wrote:And for Johogs point. Your statement it being inferior, is simply subjective and doesn't make my point any less valid.
-The point with shadow... what's the logic behind it??? Setting the bar low.. you can't connect that dot on your own?
My interpretation of Johhog's point is grounded in first principles; I'm not sure yours is even logically viable.
If Johhog doesn't want to 'be the only one pushing a foolish train' then wouldn't that be the opposite of a reason for him to voice his stark disagreement?
I don't see why scum feel the need to set the bar low for themselves; I certainly don't suffer from this as scum.
I find it a towntell because in my experience scum tend to focus on their fake scumhunting / arguing and neglect secondary actions like introspection (of which self deprecation is a form).
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:22 pm
by Vi
u._.u
:o #RAOOOOOOOW*
Unvote: CrashTextDummie
Vote: Llamarble
(L-4)
*"RAOOOOOOOW" is dog (roughly translated) for "YOLO". Unlike in Internet, it is not the other half of "cow" in cão.
Cut by Llamarble and I do not care.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:32 pm
by Nachomamma8
↑Johhog wrote:Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.
then why are you voting penguin?
↑Tammy wrote:Empire is town...most likely. I'll be able to tell for sure after an effort post, but first thought is he would be too self-conscious to call himself obvtown, especially in a game with me and tierce and regfan waiting to replace in if necessary. And I doubt he'd bother to be posting in between classes as scum, he'd be far more likely to just put it off.
this is a little ridiculous
a little arrogant
a little town
↑Konowa wrote:Does Tammy normally overreact like this?