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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:16 am

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Requesting prods/replacements for Nanook and Captain Duct Tape.
I know it's just recently dawned but both these people have been non-productive all of yesterday.

Yosarian, your first post mentioned a hint at there being a large mafia. Care to share? From what it seems, we've lost a cop and a blocker. Whatever information we can get on this game is very valuable.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:55 am

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(sigh) All right. I'll explain. I might as well.

I am one of two Gemini twins. I am pro-town; my twin brother, Nanook, is scum. If either one of us dies, then the other one dies the next night. That's why I was worried there might be a larger then normal mafia; it seems like Nanook has a really weak scum role, as all I had to do to kill him was claim and get myself vig killed. There is also a second part to my role which could prove very useful to the town; I'm not going to go into detail, but let's just say that it's a one-shot ability, and if I use it tonight, the scum will very likely fail to make a night-kill tonight.

I was thinking that I might as well let us live for a day or two, because Nanook can't exactally manipulate the town while I'm watching him, I know he's scum, and he knows I know he's scum; and meanwhile, I was thinking that I could hopefully help the town find scum, without having to worry about looking scummy myself because, hey, if I get lynched, no great loss right?

However, if there are 3 mafia members, and we miss a lynch today, then tommorow there'd be 3 out of 8 scum and the town would't be in a good position,. For that reason, I would request that
IF WE DON'T HIT SCUM TODAY
that armlx prove his claim by vig-killing either me or Nanook tonight; it would be better if he killed Nanook, becuase if he kills me Nanook survivies until tommorow night and that would make voting tommorow very tricky. I'd rather the town not waste a lynch on us, though, as we need to use those to find the other scum and as the "who voted for who" voting records wouldn't really give the town any information if the town lynhed us
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:55 am

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Nanook is also MIA.
I'm paranoid after the latest Werewolves mafia.

Reveal what you can.
because Nanook can't exactally manipulate the town while I'm watching him, I know he's scum, and he knows I know he's scum; and meanwhile, I was thinking that I could hopefully help the town find scum, without having to worry about looking scummy myself because, hey, if I get lynched, no great loss right?
Huh?
What happens if we lynch him now? You die right away? Don't think so. Use your ability tonight before you die.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:08 am

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Nanook and CaptainDuctTape have been prodded.
Nocturne is, most obviously, NOT sleeping.
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:31 am

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Phoebus wrote:Nanook is also MIA.
I'm paranoid after the latest Werewolves mafia.

Reveal what you can.

Huh?
What happens if we lynch him now? You die right away? Don't think so. Use your ability tonight before you die.
(shrug) Like I said, a lynch of Nanook today wouldn't really tell us anything, and it would be better if he was vig-killed tonight; that'd give us the ideal way to test Armlx, and that would also leave me alive so that I could vote tommorow, just in case there really is a very large mafia.

But yeah, if he gets lynched today, I should be able to use my ability tonight.
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:48 am

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How about this: You use your ability tonight, I kill Nanook, and were all happy?
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:51 pm

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Actually, mod clarification: if Nanook dies today, I die tonight before I get to use my ability. So, yeah, it'd be much better if you killed Nanook tonight, armlx.
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:13 am

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I'd rather hear more from the others.
This sounds like a plan designed to lead the town by the nose. I don't like it.
Nanook isn't around to give a rebuttal. You could very well be scum yourself and trying to take advantage of his inactivity to force a situation which is useful for the mafia vote-wise.
You say you can't do anything tonight if the wolf is lynched. Tell us what it is that you do. We'd still be trading one for one. Scum might not kill you if they'd loose nanook as well.
In all, this sounds very much like hooey.
What if we lynch you instead? That means Nanook would die tonight. That way, we can be sure you're not lying.

I also don't like how you and armlx are in conversation and playing tag team here.

Come on everyone else, speak up.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:39 am

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I do think we should move the focus for the time being and keep that in the back of our minds. Right now I think we should go after someone else, as we really need a scum lynch today or the numbers game is gonna come into play.
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:47 am

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Phoebus wrote:I'd rather hear more from the others.
This sounds like a plan designed to lead the town by the nose. I don't like it.
Nanook isn't around to give a rebuttal. You could very well be scum yourself and trying to take advantage of his inactivity to force a situation which is useful for the mafia vote-wise.
You say you can't do anything tonight if the wolf is lynched. Tell us what it is that you do. We'd still be trading one for one. Scum might not kill you if they'd loose nanook as well.
In all, this sounds very much like hooey.
What if we lynch you instead? That means Nanook would die tonight. That way, we can be sure you're not lying.
Um, except if Nanook dies and I was lyning about him being scum and my Gemini twin brother, that would also be really obveous. Can you think of ANY possible situation where it would make sense for me to lie about my role here?

If you want my ability claim, fine, I guess there's no harm in it at this point. I am a "social butterfly". Once per game, I can invite as many as half of the people in the game to a party. Anyone who is invited to the party can not be killed that night. If a scum is invited to the party, they will not be able to make a kill. So if I use my ability, there's probably about a 50/50 chance that I'll be able to stop the nightkill tonight. If Nanook is killed today, I will die as soon as night hits, which will leave me unable to use my ability tonight. If he dies tonight, then I be able to use my ability tonight, and will be able to vote tommorow, and then die tommorow night.


Phoebus wrote: I also don't like how you and armlx are in conversation and playing tag team here.

Come on everyone else, speak up.
I agree that we need more people to speak up. We still need to figure out who we're going to lynch today, after all.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:55 am

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Oh, and by the way, my role was the reason for this post back on day 1:
Yosarian2 wrote:Hmmm...at this moment, I'm don't really think Phoebus is a good lynch. Unless someone's playing games with my head. :(
At the time, Nanook was voting for you, Phoebus, which meant you probably were not a good lynch, unless Nanook was trying to play mind games with me.
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:53 am

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At this point, what worries me is that if YOU have a special ability, I bet he does too. Just think about that.
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It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.

So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:56 am

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true dat ^^
And you invite half the party in and then talk about armlx using the vig kill? :?
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:10 am

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Well, I would imagine he gets to pick who to invite, which would mean he wouldn't invite the people involved. Still, I'm a bit wary of this whole thing. Someone remind me why we're in such a hurry to get rid of the Geminis? Wouldn't it be better to wait and get Nanook later, so we keep around a town member as long as possible?
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:18 am

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Actually, inviting someone would prevent them from killing. Shouldn't it also prevent them from being killed? It *is* a party after all. Lots of witnesses...
A lot of things are off about this.

Still waiting on CDT and Nanook to pipe up.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:24 am

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Phoebus wrote:Actually, inviting someone would prevent them from killing. Shouldn't it also prevent them from being killed? It *is* a party after all. Lots of witnesses....
Um, yes. I already said that. Did you read my claim?
Yosarian2 wrote: Anyone who is invited to the party can not be killed that night. If a scum is invited to the party, they will not be able to make a kill.
Anyone who is invited to the party can not be killed, AND any scum invited to the party can not kill.


Aureal wrote:Well, I would imagine he gets to pick who to invite, which would mean he wouldn't invite the people involved. Still, I'm a bit wary of this whole thing. Someone remind me why we're in such a hurry to get rid of the Geminis? Wouldn't it be better to wait and get Nanook later, so we keep around a town member as long as possible?
Because of the numbers game. If we mess up and lynch a townie today, and if the scum manage to kill tonight, then, if there are 3 scum, we'll be in a situation where there are 3 scum out of 8 people, which is a "lynch wrong and the town loses" situation. That's why I said that IF we lynch wrong today, we should have Nanook vig-killed tonight, because 2 scum out of 6 (nanook dies tonight, I die tommorow night) is a much less dangerous position for the town to be in then 3 scum out of 8, numbers-wise.

It would also be a good way to test armlx, and we will have to kill Nanook eventually no matter what we do if we're going to win, so it might be a good idea to kill nanook tonight no matter what, I'm not sure. But if we don't lynch scum today, then Nanook needs to die tonight.
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:46 am

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Umm, are you sure only scum kills get blocked? You may want to double check your PM on that one so we don't screw up.

and 2/6 is actually as bad as 3/8. In 3/8, town mis-lynches and mafia kills = GG. 2/6 town mislynches mafia kills = GG.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:08 am

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armlx wrote:Umm, are you sure only scum kills get blocked? You may want to double check your PM on that one so we don't screw up.
Well, my PM specifically says that if I invite a mobster, that they can't kill that night. It dosn't say anything about any other role being blocked by coming to my party, if that's what you're asking.
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and 2/6 is actually as bad as 3/8. In 3/8, town mis-lynches and mafia kills = GG. 2/6 town mislynches mafia kills = GG.
...oh. Actually, yeah, you're right. Huh.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:56 am

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Hmmmm.... Yosarian, I would rather you leave me and Nanook out of the party tonight. I am not sure if your ability will or will not block me, but I dont want to take any chances with it.
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:33 am

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armlx wrote:Hmmmm.... Yosarian, I would rather you leave me and Nanook out of the party tonight. I am not sure if your ability will or will not block me, but I dont want to take any chances with it.
(shrug) I'll double check with the mod, and then I'll make a decision on my own. I am not going to say who I am or am not going to invite; no sense making things too easy for the scum.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:26 pm

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The reason we are getting rid of the Gemini's is this: 1 for 1 = town winzors....
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:19 pm

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I'll agree to it
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:10 pm

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cause serial killers don't exsist anymore... ?
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:49 pm

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Yosarian, I just went back and re-read the beginning of the thread, and I don't agree with the sentiment that Nanook wanted to lynch Phoebus. His vote on Phoebus was the first, and was not exactly backed up by reason. "Maybe this will strike him as really scummy." It could just as easily have been mafia random-voting each other to make each other look innocent. Their little playful banter: "If I die tonight, Nanook killed me" actually kind of makes me lean toward that.
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:18 am

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I believe Nanook is very busy with RL stuff. We can't keep on like this without input from the accused. Please replace him.
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