Guys, sorry RL in the way, but will catch up early tomorrow (live in Dubai so +4GMT) interesting to se e the wagon on Stryker although it was building when I was last here, but do also want to look at Mutley... and that will be tomorrow win the AM...
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:19 am
by Jennifer
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:41 am
by Siveure DtTrikyp
I don't mean like does he change from alignment to alignment, I mean does he change from day to day?
If he stays like this all game we should just lynch him b/c we won't be able to tell.
In post 105, Alabaska J wrote:context as it being early and, yes, the first vote on you. i don't see how you can respond aggressively to votes before the first vote though...? so i am not seeing that argument (or maybe am misreading you). i interpret your "this sucks. Euck." as referring to my case on you. if you meant the situation however, it wouldn't be OMGUS necessarily. clarify this please.
Huh?
I'm asking where is the OMGUS and you're asking ME to clarify? No. This is clear. You first.
The first is not referring to votes.
i thought it was pretty clear that i thought your OMGUS was when you said "Euck. This sucks." instead of responding to my case. you even said "sucks"
In post 127, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:I don't mean like does he change from alignment to alignment, I mean does he change from day to day?
If he stays like this all game we should just lynch him b/c we won't be able to tell.
policy lynches are never a good thing, but if we think he is scum we shouldn't shy away from him because it could be part of his anti-town nature or something like that.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:52 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
In post 96, Alabaska J wrote:
also, capsman (TMNTwhatever) you need to rereread i think. even if Belisarius had left his RVS vote on "a town" (that certainty you have is a bit strange) how is that worthy of a vote?
Here's what I thought, before Sak's post. I thought he said that he thought someone else was scum as in he thought the case was good, but didn't want to change his vote from someone who is my #1 townread.
(Was going to put an unvote here but Mod didn't count it so I guess it all worked out)
In post 102, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:
My previous numbers were 3 (following my scumbuddies recommendation of a 1-2-3 pick) and 9 (thinking the max was 10 and thus going high.)
So I guess that nullifies the randomness logic, pecan?
Also, you were town when you picked 9?
Beli, why does your avi remind me of fuzzybutternut? Too lazy to check.
YTWC, why not just share Beli meta instead of asking if anyone wants it? PS I want it
In post 96, Alabaska J wrote:
also, capsman (TMNTwhatever) you need to rereread i think. even if Belisarius had left his RVS vote on "a town" (that certainty you have is a bit strange) how is that worthy of a vote?
Here's what I thought, before Sak's post. I thought he said that he thought someone else was scum as in he thought the case was good, but didn't want to change his vote from someone who is my #1 townread.
I was already aware of the 1, 2, 3 draft pick game and it changes nothing, since I am not relying on theories to find scum, but good 'ol fashioned scumhunting. The theories are just helpful at times because they narrow particular odds. The only thing that's important right now in regards to them, is to be vaguely aware that they exist, so hopefully I don't have to repeat that stuff too often if I draw from it.
Having said that I believe we should be looking at a lynch from the top half of the draft pool for today. That's why my vote on Stryker isn't moving, that and his current absence hasn't changed my read.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:13 pm
by Sakura Hana
So you agree that you made a mistake, yet you're still sitting with your vote on him?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:17 pm
by pieceofpecanpie
Who was that directed to Sakura?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:42 pm
by Sakura Hana
to They May Take Our Lives But They Will Never Take Our Freedom (a.k.a TMTOLBTWNTOF)
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:49 pm
by pieceofpecanpie
I assumed that, but then his vote wasn't counted, so he's currently not voting anyone.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:52 pm
by Alabaska J
In post 130, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:(Was going to put an unvote here but Mod didn't count it so I guess it all worked out)
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:07 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
What Alabaska said. I'm going to put you as town Sakura. I don't think this is your scum play, even though I have minimal meta.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:08 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
Sak, were you town in Tit for Tat?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:13 pm
by Sakura Hana
Yeah, i forgot his vote wasn't counted, and yes i was town in Tit for Tat.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:17 pm
by Siveure DtTrikyp
Yes I was town when I pikced 9.
Alabaska, the point of a policy lynch in this instance is that if we can't tell if he's scum, and never will, then he HAS to be lynched because it's no worse than random odds and we don't want to waste time on him. But hey I say we give him a free pass today and crack down HARD tomorrow or day 3.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:31 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
In post 140, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah, i forgot his vote wasn't counted, and yes i was town in Tit for Tat.
80-90% sure pecan is town.
80% sure Sak is town.
60-70 on J.
Around 60 on Siv. This could change
In post 96, Alabaska J wrote:
also, capsman (TMNTwhatever) you need to rereread i think. even if Belisarius had left his RVS vote on "a town" (that certainty you have is a bit strange) how is that worthy of a vote?
Here's what I thought, before Sak's post. I thought he said that he thought someone else was scum as in he thought the case was good, but didn't want to change his vote from someone who is my #1 townread.
just curious, why is he your number 1 townread?
First of all, I like how PPP is trying to help first timers in PYP by analyzing some of the draft order mechanics.
Second, and I'm not sure about this, seeing as I'm pretty new, but I think I heard that a scum tell is having only one scumread, and not scumhunting further. PPP doesn't do this, he presents a good case on Stryker but continues to look at other people.
Third, posts seem genuine, not embellished or bullshitted at all.
And while I'm explaining reads, Sak's read is because of meta.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:33 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
Damn, fuzzybutternut's avi changed, now I'll never know if his' and Beli's are the same.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:37 pm
by Belisarius
In post 130, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Beli, why does your avi remind me of fuzzybutternut? Too lazy to check.
Both my current avatar and his former avatar are Kenneth Branagh as Hamlet.
The mafiascum.net user Hamlet (with another Branagh avatar) is a hydra of me and fuzzy.
My first pass through the thread using the Driver method hasn't been spectacularly fruitful, possibly because it was interrupted about 68 times, but I'm not liking the diction in #91 and #93. I want to do a couple more passes in a more well-rested, unrushed state before I drop a vote, though. The way things are going that might not be until Saturday.
P-edit: Yes you will.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:49 pm
by Alabaska J
In post 141, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Alabaska, the point of a policy lynch in this instance is that if we can't tell if he's scum, and never will, then he HAS to be lynched because it's no worse than random odds and we don't want to waste time on him. But hey I say we give him a free pass today and crack down HARD tomorrow or day 3.
scum love policy lynches. doesn't mean town can't suggest them but they are really beneficial to scum if the person is a townie. easiest lynch in the world. policy lynch should be used in tiebreaker-esque situations where two people are equally considered scummy by the town. there is probably a vig in the game, so that may be a good shot for them however. not great for a lynch when we can scumhunt
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:54 pm
by Alabaska J
In post 142, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Second, and I'm not sure about this, seeing as I'm pretty new, but I think I heard that a scum tell is having only one scumread, and not scumhunting further.
very true, that is one of my big scumtells
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:47 pm
by pieceofpecanpie
Watch as scum now start casting suspicion on multiple players.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:03 pm
by Mutleyddmc
I only have 1 scumread
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:27 pm
by Smudger
OK so Mutley plays like the way he is all the time is what I now read and the discussion that is on going with regard to this is how is that beneficial and why should we not lynch him(Policy Lynch)? I don't get it though? if he is like this in most games and practically walks through D1 unhindered by adopting this playing style how does that help anyone determine his alignment, and why does he get away with it? I take it from this comment that it is worth the wait?
In post 124, pieceofpecanpie wrote:It doesn't even matter, ignore as much as possible for Day 1 at the very least.
So in essence, Pecan, he gets a wild card into D2?
