Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

mollie Im starting to scumread you, stop fluffing

[pirate mollie]

And it is just a basic fact. Sorry if that bothers you.

P-edit 2: my particular scummies say almost nothing about my relative talent. It can, however, be intimidating to inexperienced players.

"are you threatened by my ideas???"

lol

probably town

[pirate mollie]

wis I am waiting to talk to majiffy

[AngryPidgeon]

^^ Mostly gut read. But the questions hes asking are pointless, looks like hes trying to fit in.

[Elyse]

She did not do something townie. Scum are the ones who will try to suggest such things to gain early towncred. I know I definitely would as scum.

Re: your "meta change" thing; first of all this is not The Road to Rome, second of all I don't play the same in all my games, and third of all there has been a considerate amount of time since then (this you noted)

When you say that you don't see me as town, do you see me as scum?

No, I don't see you as scum. I don't see you as anything yet.

[Wisdom]

How do you get probably town from that?

pedit:
Why do you want to talk to Majiffy?

[StrangerCoug]

Did you guys have to start while I was asleep?

Reading everything now. If anybody decided to go crazy and challenge somebody before everyone's had a chance to chip in, I'm voting the challenger.

[pirate mollie]

eta: chill the fuck out

eta2: cos he is my partner and I do not want to obsessively trolleytrack on him again

[Venmar]

I feel like AP's case has holes, and I also think it's nitpicking and pulling at straws.

Amrun is scum. Off the bat strategy speculation is definitely more likely to come from scum than town and I love how she is trying to prove shes town in 94 without just saying she is. The argument with wisdom makes zero sense from a town perspective, especially since she thinks hes town.

This is a 50/50 thing since I see town make speculation too, so whatever, but my impression from the argument was that Amrun came out having either a null or a scum read on Wisdom, which makes it completely legitimate for her to push Wisdom around considering his attitude. I think she got the townread on him AFTER the argument, so I you're completely changing what happened to make it look scummier.

We should all also agree to use the vote tags for real votes because it's a different color.

Why does this matter?

If people are reading and comprehending the thread, there is no need for overly formatted voting. That just lets people be lazy and skim crap anyways.

- This is just, what? This is useless to bring up. So I ask,

Why does this matter?

Wow, and that talk about experience is BULLSHIT and completely irrelevant. Experience does not make someone a better player and really why the hell are you arguing this?

- Feel bad for saying this, feel VERY bad and cry in a corner.

Oh and the quick shift of tones suggests that amrun was faking all that outrage in the first place - which she was because shes scum so.

- Perhaps, I can see how you could come to that conclusion. To be fair, Wisdom was coming off very arrogant and very hard to deal and talk with, so the outrage is very understandable because I can relate.

I know AP to be very good at persuading people, but his "case" on Amrun is very sub-par and weak, and honestly I think town-AP would know that some of the things he brought up and said are BS, especially the experience and voting formatting things.

So many PEdits.

[Wisdom]

And why do you have to wait for that before commenting on everything else?
(@mollie)

[Venmar]

btw, my initial impression is that Widsom is scummy and Amrun is leaning town.

[pirate mollie]

cos I do not see scum using their experience as leverage to push an idea

eta: strangecoug usually it is scum who whine about game length, start times, etc tell me it isn't so

eta: I am commenting you dummy

[Wisdom]

And...
FoS: Venmar since this post just now gave me mad scumvibes.
What AP said about experience etc. weren't even part of his case. You're trying too hard to shoot it down.
And you're asking "Why does it matter" on a "Why does it matter" post? Wtf?

[Wisdom]

To be fair, Wisdom was coming off very arrogant and very hard to deal and talk with, so the outrage is very understandable because I can relate.

Tell me this;
Let's say I am arrogant and hard to deal with.
Isn't it a great opportunity for scum to

fake

outrage on such a player? If they don't fake it on such a player, where will they fake it? On players that it would be less believable?

[Wisdom]

Personally I didn't even feel any outrage in her posts. Only frustration about who she considers a noob scumreading her off her first posts.

[Wisdom]

Finally, since you're claiming to know what AP does and doesn't; does scum-AP make sub-par cases?

[Venmar]

It's hard to fake an outrage when the person you're talking to legitimately angers you.

Wisdom is OMGUSing, lolololololoolol.

Btw, the experience things was about the case since he was using it as ammunition to make Amrun look worse. If it wasn't part of the case, it was a very bad thing to say, and if you truly understood my post, you should be able to come to the conclusion that I think AP is scummy.

Now YOU'RE trying too hard.

[pirate mollie]

Why do you want to talk to Majiffy?

I want you to read this question slowly and then come back and tell me why it is stupid

[Wisdom]

It was a very bad thing to say? So you agree that more experience necessarily means more skill? If that's so we should all just sheep the player with the oldest joindate and do nothing else, yes?

[Wisdom]

Why do you want to talk to Majiffy?

I want you to read this question slowly and then come back and tell me why it is stupid

mollie, you said this towards the beginning of the game too (that you want to talk to Majiffy first), and it's stupid. You don't have to talk to Majiffy first before doing other things.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is OMGUSing, lolololololoolol.

Now YOU'RE trying too hard.

Not to mention, these kind of stuff just make my scumread bigger

[Venmar]

Stop making such stupid conclusions and stop flailing, you're just posting now for the sake of posting.

I believe more experience makes a player better, and it's extremely true. I NEVER, said ANYTHING, about sheeping. Just because a player is more experienced, doesn't compel another to sheep them because THATS SHEEPING, and their alignment is UNKNOWN.

How do we challenge people and how does it work? I'm willing to start challenging people.

PEDit: Not to mention, these kind of Wisdom sstuff make my scumread bigger.

[pirate mollie]

Wisdom is town

.

Amrun is scum. Off the bat strategy speculation is definitely more likely to come from scum than town and I love how she is trying to prove shes town in 94 without just saying she is. The argument with wisdom makes zero sense from a town perspective, especially since she thinks hes town.

We should all also agree to use the vote tags for real votes because it's a different color.

Why does this matter?

If people are reading and comprehending the thread, there is no need for overly formatted voting. That just lets people be lazy and skim crap anyways.

we will lose this game fast.

appeal to fear. And probably not unless you think its scum just targeting town/town groups and if that is the case then just PL their scumbutts for doing stupid shit like that. Self-correcting problem.

Wow, and that talk about experience is BULLSHIT and completely irrelevant. Experience does not make someone a better player and really why the hell are you arguing this? You could be scumhunting people but instead you are having a pointless argument with someone you think is town - or do you?

Oh and the quick shift of tones suggests that amrun was faking all that outrage in the first place - which she was because shes scum so.

I think you need to take a look at this game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28979

before jumping to that read. cos I am starting to feel some similarities.

eta: xposts

eno what is your read on wis? even though you bailed in that game you were scummates for like IRL day or 2

[Wisdom]

Amrun was saying she's the most experienced though, and she was using it as a point to why what she says is pro-town, what I say isn't, and therefore why we should follow/sheep her.
AP called her out on that, saying that experience means nothing in that regard and we should not do such a thing.
By saying that what AP did was bad, you basically agree with Amrun; namely that we should just follow what the "more experienced" player suggests.

Also please do challange me, will be so fun

[AngryPidgeon]

Amrun came out having either a null or a scum read on Wisdom, which makes it completely legitimate for her to push Wisdom around considering his attitude.

Wow, ok. So Amrun's push wouldn't be legitimate if his attitude were not X but were Y instead.

- Feel bad for saying this, feel VERY bad and cry in a corner.

I really like Amrun, but she is scum in this game. And I'm sorry about that. But I do feel kinda bad.

and honestly I think town-AP would know that some of the things he brought up and said are BS, especially the experience and voting formatting things.

Oh well at least you are being totally honest about this.

Honestly, I believe Amrun is more likely scum than not for arguing common sense points. And really? Amrun raging about experience is town-motivated to you at all?

because I can relate.

Ok, well I really didn't see it that way.

Ok I see you are upgrading your soft-defense to a hard one after the fact. Coolio.

Its not faking an outrage if, by definition, they are doing something that is likely to make you outraged. What point are you making? Cause I just see you justifying Amrun's disguised AtF.

Take a step back and at least consider my posts from a town-mindset, Venmar. Thanks.

P-edit: oh god I cant get a post in.

Im going to SF pride, Im limited access this weekend.

P-P-edit: She really did call herself likely town for the plan and then defend the plan by pointing to "experience". That is not town motivated.