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Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:59 am
by Venmar
In post 98, zMuffinMan wrote:tiphaine wrote:I want zmuffin to answer this, not ven, what's scummy about my post?
If by "scummy", you mean "something that scum does", then I think your post is scummy because it came from you.
This should be fairly straight-forward.
If you're asking how I know you're scum from this, then it comes down to two reasons. The first is that I see no town reason to vent your frustration here, especially since his play as a PGO is valid and makes sense, and I see every reason why you as scum would think that making a big deal out of it would possibly make you seem more town because you didn't consider that it was a good move for a town PGO to make. The second is my personal belief that the way in which you said what you said was awful and fake.
Also, since that post, I don't believe you have no better place to put your vote than where it currently is for RVS reasons... You could have even voted me, and at least pretended to apply some pressure to me, but you didn't. So yep, you're scum and you need to die. This part is no longer valid as of #93, but you're still scum.
More votes on TD please. TY.
Just to add to this....
Scum are very prone and likely to trying to reveal reaction tests. While my claim is legit, TD tried to instantly debunk it by saying " haha you didn't fool me " and blamed me for trying to make a gambit, which is a scum minded approach to my claim. In either case, it was a scum reaction that had a lot of what I think is fake frustration. Not trying to be a dick about that, but the post looked too organized and formulated to look like real frustration.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:59 am
by TiphaineDeath
That sentence did not make a sentence... try again.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:00 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
In post 121, TiphaineDeath wrote:It's tantamount to saying "I don't think I can play my role well enough to make it usefull so i'm going to go ahead and be a vanilla townie that needs to be lynched before lylo." You take a role that can be a great errr good thing, to the town, and make it a detriment. I know that it can be a horrible detriment to the town if played badly, but that's not a fucking excuse. When you're given a role, you play that role to your win condition.
Have you ever seen a townie vote to lynch someone you thought was obvtown?
Great, then we understand that reads aren't objective and thus there is no proper way to play bomb/PGO/similar roles that will ensure a scum visit and not a derp-thinking-pro-town role.
Also this.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:00 am
by TiphaineDeath
.... Fuck you venmar, I think you played horribly and I told you so. That doesn't make me scum, get over yourself.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:02 am
by Mac
In post 121, TiphaineDeath wrote:I feel that claiming PGO is bad as a pgo, the same way claiming bomb is bad even if you know there is a vig in the game.
It's tantamount to saying "I don't think I can play my role well enough to make it usefull so i'm going to go ahead and be a vanilla townie that needs to be lynched before lylo." You take a role that can be a great errr good thing, to the town, and make it a detriment. I know that it can be a horrible detriment to the town if played badly, but that's not a fucking excuse. When you're given a role, you play that role to your win condition.
It just.... it bugs me...
so what would you have done if you were given PGO?
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:03 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
"Played so pro-town scum would have to night kill me and obv townies wouldn't ever consider visiting me at all duh"
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:03 am
by Venmar
In post 121, TiphaineDeath wrote:I feel that claiming PGO is bad as a pgo, the same way claiming bomb is bad even if you know there is a vig in the game.
It's tantamount to saying "I don't think I can play my role well enough to make it usefull so i'm going to go ahead and be a vanilla townie that needs to be lynched before lylo." You take a role that can be a great errr good thing, to the town, and make it a detriment. I know that it can be a horrible detriment to the town if played badly, but that's not a fucking excuse. When you're given a role, you play that role to your win condition.
It just.... it bugs me...
PGO is a negative role since town PR roles are more likely to visit me than a scum in a large theme. I hope you realize that claiming PGO pretty much makes sure town powerroles don't blow themselves up on me, so i AM playing to my win condition. The fact scum are less likely to risk killing me can also be a good thing, but I don't think PGO's are meant to played aggressively against the scum, and i'm not even close to being a good enough player to achieve this without killing a couple townies along the way.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:04 am
by Venmar
In post 128, TiphaineDeath wrote:.... Fuck you venmar, I think you played horribly and I told you so. That doesn't make me scum, get over yourself.
It's okay, drink some kool-aid.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:05 am
by notscience
Kool Aid solves all problems
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:05 am
by TiphaineDeath
Or I woulda just claimed day-cop with a guilty right before I hammered whoever the biggest wagon was. But yes, BNB, that would have been my plan. If I thought it wasn't working, I would have claimed b4 night one. But I at least would have tried.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:07 am
by TiphaineDeath
Ya know what, I'm just going to let this go, we are getting nowhere. I'll be back when I am feeling coherent.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:07 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
Ken Kesey style or Jim Jones style?
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:09 am
by notscience
Jim Jones.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:09 am
by Mac
you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?
VOTE: TiphaineDeath
i don't like the way you are playing so far.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:10 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:11 am
by Trust Fund
Does that make Venmar Leo Ryan?
~Sasha
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:11 am
by notscience
Both could work, Jim Jones though
:>
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:12 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
No because he didn't take anyone out when he got shot.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:15 am
by Ghostlin
Here are my thoughts for the first six pages:
1) The entire argument about the PGO is dumb and you should all feel dumb. If it's scum motivated, we can determine this through Venmar's play and lynch him normal like. Otherwise you're feeding a possible attention whore gambit, which could be run as either alignment, Town as reaction-fishing, scum as a 'don't visit me, town Cops!'
It's kind of akin to claiming miller, only a gun is involved.
2) BRO's #79 makes no sense under a microscope. A miller and PGO are somewhat different roles and I don't consider the change-up to be alignment indicative.
3) TD is playing like a mule on crack, which seems to indicate he wants us to distract from the Ven vote by acting like someone gave him drugs. His idea of Ven not claiming seems dissonant to the Town wincon. Also, I'm getting a hate-on for notscience.
Vote: TD
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:25 am
by Faster Than Light
In post 143, Ghostlin wrote:Here are my thoughts for the first six pages:
1) The entire argument about the PGO is dumb and you should all feel dumb. If it's scum motivated, we can determine this through Venmar's play and lynch him normal like. Otherwise you're feeding a possible attention whore gambit, which could be run as either alignment, Town as reaction-fishing, scum as a 'don't visit me, town Cops!'
It's kind of akin to claiming miller, only a gun is involved.
2) BRO's #79 makes no sense under a microscope. A miller and PGO are somewhat different roles and I don't consider the change-up to be alignment indicative.
3) TD is playing like a mule on crack, which seems to indicate he wants us to distract from the Ven vote by acting like someone gave him drugs. His idea of Ven not claiming seems dissonant to the Town wincon. Also, I'm getting a hate-on for notscience.
Vote: TD
I don't really buy TD's backing off with "I am tired", either. Feels like a lazy, early-game deflection.
Of course, I don't like Venmar's response to my pressure either, but like you and I said, we shouldn't judge on a claim, but on play throughout the game.
Vote: TD
-V
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:31 am
by Trust Fund
Varsoon scum is looking more and more likely.
Not that I disagree with the TD wagon, mind you.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:32 am
by TiphaineDeath
Ok, I've had enough of this. I didn't sleep much last night, that makes me loopy and cranky. I saw something I didn't like, so I yelled at the person who did it.
End-Of-Story.
Ftl has been buddying anything with a pulse since this game started can we lynch it please?
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:32 am
by notscience
What's a hate-on
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:32 am
by Trust Fund
^Sasha
PS: I'm not voting yet, deal with it. Syr needs to have time to post troll gifs first.
Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:33 am
by TiphaineDeath
It's like a hard-on, but with hate instead of penis's.
