In post 82, ChannelDelibird wrote:From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).
Do you really actually believe this? I fully explained what I meant the next post, after I realized some people obviously aren't familiar with the English language.
If I were to say something like, "Lying about your claim at L-2 is frowned upon", would you still think that's the "sign of a KILLER"? (Also, I love the way you made sure to capitalize that word to add extra emphasis to your bullshit "scumhunt".)
Lets just get this straight here:
Squilly votes and unvotes nakedly twice and once with a horrible explanation, and hasn't really posted since then = newbtown, totally excusable
LnGrrrR uses the passive voice = obvscum
I'm glad Im not the only one who sucks at scumhunting his game. Join the club Channel.
This reeks of scum caught for the wrong reasons and "why aren't they lynching the scummy newb." Also, calling your own scumhunting bad while also putting down someone voting for you is just all sorts of scummaliciousness.
In post 84, ChannelDelibird wrote:And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.
I wasn't sure at first but he's literally not even attempting to draw a conclusion from it, so yes.
This is a good wagon. Amrun is pleased.
Hmm... Well, what did I say about it when I first brought it up?
Also not a fan of the weird triangle between Amrun, ChannelDelibird and Squilly.
Squilly has only "seriously" voted both of you, you and CDB both voted for each other in RVS, and then you both voted me back to back. Not sure what to make of it, but it feels off to me.
I don't know that it is necessarily "indicative" of anything... As I just said above, not sure what to make of it but it feels off. Just a gut reaction that there's too much synchronicity there.
Again, I don't know what to make of it. Something about it feels off, but Im not sure how. I know, Im totally scum for not having the team down rock solid by the whopping fourth page of this game, and goodness forbid I try to post something that isn't a total lead. I should just be like Jason and say "Hey this guy is scum!" and then I wouldn't be suspicious at all. Or just sheep everyone else's vote like Squilly. Or just lurk like half the people in the thread. Then I'd be obvtown!
Amrun, Channel, if you are town, step up your game. I'm really the main person posting so I know it's hard to find other interactions, but try to stop tunneling anyways and take a look.
This, like a few other things, comes from the mindset that CDB and I are both town. You're also not the person posting the most, not that posting = content anyway.
Guys, I feel a death tunnel coming on.
Welcome to the Town-reads, don't do anything to make me doubt you.
JasonWazza wrote:
In post 107, StubbsKVM wrote:Jason, I don't really get what you're doing. Do you have any other reads besides Amrun?
Yes and they will be disclosed when i put them into a single post in the thread.
Alternatively, you could post them now and stop trying to veil them, because Amrun already knows you're onto her.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:30 am
by JasonWazza
Yeah or i could wait till i have;
a) the motivation to post them
b) the time
c) more reactions that look scummy/towny
I'm getting more then just reactions from Amrun via this.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:39 am
by LnGrrrR
@Mod, can we get some prods? I know Squilly hasn't posted in the past 48 hours, and I'm pretty sure there are one or two others as well that could use a poke.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:48 am
by Nexus
In post 125, Nexus wrote:penguin_alien and Squilly have been prodded.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:06 am
by fferyllt
Liking Amrun, Channel and Fegelin for town.
Channel's post 82 case for voting LnGrrrR seemed reasonable for that point in the game day, but I was skeptical about the passive voice. Meta dive last night suggests skepticism was warranted. However, LnGrrrR's reaction to the pressure looked a bit over the top. Amrun's 121, in part about that reaction, is part of the reason I'm townreading her.
Squilly needs to produce content upon his next appearance if he isn't replaced.
Jason, I'm not liking your caginess about your reads.
Oriole, where are you?
Rach, you have any real reads yet?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:03 pm
by RachMarie
you mean besides that I think squilly is scum?
You are prob town.
Will get to the rest after coffee.... Ugh gotta love not waking up til the middle of the afternoon....
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:03 pm
by penguin_alien
I see where people say Squilly was scum-hunting, but it still seems like the kind of fake scum hunting scum like to do. Jason reads sketchy to me, but that might be residual paranoia from our last game together. LnGrrrR's reaction to the wagon looks worse than the reason he was wagoned in the first place.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:04 pm
by LnGrrrR
I don't get the whole "horrible reaction to the wagon" comments. It's more so a reaction to the BS "mind of a killer" grammar analyzing going on. I mean, if you guys have an actual argument, bring it. But I see a lot of wishy washy "his response was bad" without actually identifying what was bad about it. Amrun at least put together a case, though I think it's a weak one.
This reeks of scum caught for the wrong reasons and "why aren't they lynching the scummy newb." Also, calling your own scumhunting bad while also putting down someone voting for you is just all sorts of scummaliciousness.
"Scum caught for the wrong reasons"... What do you mean by that?
And I know that your scum hunting is bad, because you have been tunnelling me and I'm town. That's how I know your current scumhunting skills are lacking.
As far as "posting the most", I think the interactions with me have been the majority of the game so far.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:19 pm
by Syryana
Ugh. Long fucking day.
I swear I'll get to this tomorrow. Or I'll replace out. Sorry about this guys.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:23 pm
by oriole
These are just some quick impressions; I'll get more into this tomorrow.
ChannelDelibird - Town
Amrun - Town
Fegelein - Town
fferyllt - null-town, need more posts?
Syryana - Post more
LnGrrrR - Frustrated something - (scum caught for wrong reasons or town tunneled for grammar?)
Squilly - needs to explain some of his thinking next post
JasonWazza - Need reads list
StubbsKVM - Hypocritical asking Jason for reads when he's provided none
penguin_alien - post 132 has safe reads (Squilly, LnGrrrR, Jason scummy)
Toomai - if Jason's town, could see him being scum
RachMarie - possibly scum, need more posts
UNVOTE:
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:33 pm
by Amrun
In post 133, LnGrrrR wrote:I don't get the whole "horrible reaction to the wagon" comments. It's more so a reaction to the BS "mind of a killer" grammar analyzing going on. I mean, if you guys have an actual argument, bring it. But I see a lot of wishy washy "his response was bad" without actually identifying what was bad about it. Amrun at least put together a case, though I think it's a weak one.
This reeks of scum caught for the wrong reasons and "why aren't they lynching the scummy newb." Also, calling your own scumhunting bad while also putting down someone voting for you is just all sorts of scummaliciousness.
"Scum caught for the wrong reasons"... What do you mean by that?
And I know that your scum hunting is bad, because you have been tunnelling me and I'm town. That's how I know your current scumhunting skills are lacking.
As far as "posting the most", I think the interactions with me have been the majority of the game so far.
Scum have a particular type of frustration when they are "caught" for reasons they believe to be shoddy. That's the impression you're giving me.
You were talking about cdb there, not me --nice to see we aren't distinguished in your mind because you're not trying to read us.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:50 pm
by LnGrrrR
In post 136, Amrun wrote:
Scum have a particular type of frustration when they are "caught" for reasons they believe to be shoddy. That's the impression you're giving me.
You were talking about cdb there, not me --nice to see we aren't distinguished in your mind because you're not trying to read us.
First, you admitted that you were likely to "death tunnel" me, so my "sucky scumhunting" is applying to you right now.
Your argument against me originally consisted of passive voice (the whole "naked votes thing") and me talking about weird triangle (which I already noted Im not sure what it means, if anything).
Since then, you have tunneled me and found a scummy mindset for every one of my posts. For instance, your justification for me being "caught" for the wrong reasons. Do you usually have town that don't fight their own mislynch? Since when does town just roll over and die? (Well, good town that is.) My attitude is just from how flimsy the basis of the case is. I am trying to determine whether you and Channel actually believe the case, or whether you're scum.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm
by Amrun
Death tunneling isn't a bad thing.
Arguments grow, evolve, and become stronger or weaker -- that's the way the game works.
And I never said town doesn't fight. Town get frustrated in a DIFFERENT way.
You say you're trying to determine me and cdb's alignments, but I see zero evidence of that. You're focused on discrediting the case any way possible without actually seeming like you give a rat's ass whether we're scum or not.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:21 pm
by LnGrrrR
I'm discrediting the case because its a horrible case, I am town, and I don't want to be mislynched. As far as determining whether or not you, Channel and Feg are scum, these interactions help. Of course, my main scum read hasn't posted since being called out and will likely get replaced.
How do you think town get frustrated as opposed to scum? (And if I am the mislynch today, I hope you will reevaluate whatever logic led to your idea of different frustrations.)
And while I am guilty of it to some degree in my games, I disagree that thnnelling is a good thing. It's one thing to stick to a read if it isn't changed; it's another to ignore everyone to focus exclusively on your target. (I will note that you haven't been fully thnnelling; you have been looking at Jason's posts too, but that could just be because be has a vote on you.)
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:29 pm
by fferyllt
In post 135, oriole wrote:These are just some quick impressions; I'll get more into this tomorrow.
ChannelDelibird - Town
Amrun - Town
Fegelein - Town
fferyllt - null-town, need more posts?
Syryana - Post more
LnGrrrR - Frustrated something - (scum caught for wrong reasons or town tunneled for grammar?)
Squilly - needs to explain some of his thinking next post
JasonWazza - Need reads list
StubbsKVM - Hypocritical asking Jason for reads when he's provided none
penguin_alien - post 132 has safe reads (Squilly, LnGrrrR, Jason scummy)
Toomai - if Jason's town, could see him being scum
RachMarie - possibly scum, need more posts
UNVOTE:
What is your rationale for seeing Toomai as possible scum if Jason is town?
Will get to the rest after coffee.... Ugh gotta love not waking up til the middle of the afternoon....
That must have been one big cup of coffee.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:55 pm
by RachMarie
Town
fferyllt
Amrun
Toomai
LnGrrrR
ChannelDelibird
Scum
Squilly
JasonWazza
Need to see more from
oriole
StubbsKVM
penguin_alien
Syryana (or his replacement if he replaces out)
T S O
Fegelein
TLDR There are too many not participating enough in this game...
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:57 pm
by RachMarie
Sorry about taking so long to get back, a few things, including work stuffs distracted me.
Done with coffee, had soda, and now drinking peach tea with rum lol.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:25 pm
by StubbsKVM
I'm having a hard time getting reads, but here's an attempt. Only slight scumreads on Jason for refusing to participate, Squilly for empty votes and Rach for having 2 reads. I'm having especially a lot of difficulty reading Amrun, so I just put him at null. LNG I think is just frustrated town.
Town
oriole
Fegelein
Leaning Town
ChannelDelibird
fferyllt
LnGrrrR
Null
Syryana
penguin_alien
Toomai
Amrun
Leaning Scum
JasonWazza
RachMarie
Squilly
Scum
N/A
P-Edit: Okay so Rach might be town too.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:28 pm
by RachMarie
how do you get 2 reads out of my list above Stubbs?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:34 pm
by StubbsKVM
notice the p-edit?
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:50 pm
by RachMarie
oops lol
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:51 pm
by Fegelein
Mini catch-up:
#130 is backseating somewhat, and also slightly IIoA.
Penguin usually plays this strange backseating game as Town. I've not seen any scum games from her, anyone care to link me?
#136 is Town as fuck.
I don't like how LnGrrrR has to repeat that he's Town or a mislynch, common psychology there.
"Death tunneling isn't a bad thing.". Oh yes it is, although it's much worse in smaller games. I can show you an example if you want.
It's not a horrible case. It was a little weak to begin with, but it's grown on me.
Also, when was I part of the circle? Wasn't it Amrun, Channel and Squilly, not Amrun, Channel and me.
Here's my list of reads and stuff:
TOWN
Amrun
ChannelDelibird
Stubbs
fferyllt
penguin_alien
Toomai
oriole
Syryana
RachMarie
LnGrrR
JasonWazza
SCUM
The null zone starts at fferlyllt and ends at Syryana.
Weak reads on Stubbs and Rach.
Strong reads on the pairs at the top and bottom.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:52 pm
by Fegelein
As soon as I clicked Send, I realised I forgot Squilly.
