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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:24 am

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In post 82, Wake1 wrote: Besides, I don't particularly care for Scumhunting Day 1 because of the absolute lack of credible evidence. Indeed I am interested in finding Scum, but something tells me that as soon as I do pull out the ol' Scumhunting gear you'll complain about that as well.
In post 7, Wake1 wrote: Some think speculation is bad in Mafia, but until the game starts unfolding, it's quite important.
these two quotes contradict each other
Also, it's great to be active and generate discussion. As Town I usually serve as a catalyst to really heat things up. Scum loves it when people are disinterested and don't contribute because it makes life very easy for them. Lob some accusations, analyze what people do and say, question things, and don't be afraid of stupid people who just want to be obstructionists.

Keep doing that, and maybe, just maybe Scum will slip. Scum has an extreme advantage over us, and they'll expect us to fight and flail against one another in the dark, instead of being calm
and this contradicts his entire play this game
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:55 am

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Vote Count 1.3


Wake88 (3):
aptil, goodmorning, townistown
townistown (1):
Bulbazak

No Vote (5):
Cambera, dmabster, sharksword2, TheFuzzylogic99, Wake88

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Saturday, November 16, at 11:00 AM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-11-16 11:00:00).
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:21 am

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I have replaced in here but I don't know which of the two slots I replaced yet....

Good to see some faces :tips hat:
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:26 am

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Wake is at L-2 right?
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:28 am

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Aptil why do you think wake is scum?
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:40 am

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In post 120, goodmorning wrote:
Feel free to go look at my ISO and see that I already have.


Feel free to scumhunt.

Feel free to
read the game
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Yeah, that SO motivates me to give a damn.
In post 121, townistown wrote:I second that^

The main part of my case, Wake, can be found in post 106
In post 122, townistown wrote:
denying its existence or validity just really just makes you look worse
In post 123, townistown wrote:
The below chain of events is what has me most convinced that Wake88 is scum at this point.


I lay out why I thought he was scum originally, and rather than simply showing why I'm wrong like I'd expect a townie to do, the little bit of pressure causes him to freak the fuck out and he starts accusing me of "paranoid death-tunneling" (?) posts other illogical crap.

In post 63, townistown wrote: 2. post 27 was awful. wake continues to not put pressure on anyone, and asks a question that makes it look like he's doing something when in fact it wasn't really relevant to what was going on. most notably, he doesn't ask the question to anyone specific, leading me to believe that he didn't really care about the answer. sure enough, nobody answers his question and in his next post, 55, he doesn't care. he doesn't re-ask, or anything. he's asking questions to blend in while he doesn't really care what the answer to them is, and he hasn't taken a stance on anything at all yet or put pressure on anyone.
In post 66, Wake1 wrote:And #63, people, is an example of paranoid death-tunneling. :lol:
In post 69, townistown wrote:
In post 66, Wake1 wrote:And #63, people, is an example of paranoid death-tunneling. :lol:
What do you mean by this?

I looks like you are suggesting that me making a single post about why I thought that person was scummy = me tunnel-visioning a random person I don't know.

That's an overreaction if I've ever seen one.
In post 70, townistown wrote:I like how he doesn't even address my point logically and instead chooses to handwave. Scum.
In post 76, Wake1 wrote:Yeah, TIT. I'm Scum because I don't respond 100% to your satisfaction. Here, have a newflash: that doesn't make one Scum. Don't like it? Sue me. ;-)

In my years of playing I've seen groups of people come and go with opinions of what proper play and Scumhunting are. It's too bad their opinions are so different and oftentimes crap. Anyways, I don't mind playing, but if people are going to be annoying on purpose, well, don't expect any favors.

...TIT, your argument is flimsy. You've got no case. If'd like to embarrass yourself further be my guest. We've got more than enough time and Iwould appreciate the entertainment.
In post 124, townistown wrote:
...which shows that hes nervous and jumpy (scum trait) in addition to my original point of him not really trying to interact with people or apply pressure, contrary to what he said in his first post of the game.
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In post 82, Wake1 wrote: Besides, I don't particularly care for Scumhunting Day 1 because of the absolute lack of credible evidence. Indeed I am interested in finding Scum, but something tells me that as soon as I do pull out the ol' Scumhunting gear you'll complain about that as well.
In post 7, Wake1 wrote: Some think speculation is bad in Mafia, but until the game starts unfolding, it's quite important.
these two quotes contradict each other

Also, it's great to be active and generate discussion. As Town I usually serve as a catalyst to really heat things up. Scum loves it when people are disinterested and don't contribute because it makes life very easy for them. Lob some accusations, analyze what people do and say, question things, and don't be afraid of stupid people who just want to be obstructionists.

Keep doing that, and maybe, just maybe Scum will slip. Scum has an extreme advantage over us, and they'll expect us to fight and flail against one another in the dark, instead of being calm
and this contradicts his entire play this game
Some people probably aren't going to like this. But... considering I'm ridiculously busy and my experience is being ruined from certain, crappy players...

...we're going to have ourselves a learning moment, people. Why? Because I want to, and it's time I have some fun with this game. To our newbies,
I'm going to teach you the hazards of ardent paranoia
, and that when combined with ill-mannered attitudes it ruins the experience for others. So, what am I gonna do?
I'm going to call TIT's paranoid crap, in order to show what kinds of attitudes you need to watch out for.
If you're new to this game, you need to be observant and wary of just how wrong some people can be, especially when you're dealing with large groups of people with the same, erroneous mindset. It's the kind of person who won't listen to you... and hopped up on arrogance and self-righteousness that person barrels forward unaware that's he's woefully and hopelessly wrong. It's that kind of wrong-ward stubbornness that I'm not going to spend my few precious moments placating. Absolutely not.

Basically, TIT, you're flat-out wrong.


But, since you neither reason nor listen to me, here's what I'm going to do.

Everyone, I am Scum. I am a Mafia Goon. Lynch me, have me flip, and show just how right TIT is.


Here, I'll even help you:
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:47 am

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Well I'm going to have to hammer that scummy fuck now amn't I
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:48 am

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If you are a town PR you are going to be blacklisted by me wake
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:49 am

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In post 132, Guyett wrote:If you are a town PR you are going to be blacklisted by me wake
...if I were a PR, I would never do that. Just a VT stressed from work and out of time, who doesn't suffer belligerence well. Who the hell wants to do something if it's like going to the dentist without anesthesia?
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:49 am

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In post 132, Guyett wrote:If you are a town PR you are going to be blacklisted by me wake
...if I were a PR, I would never do that. Just a VT stressed from work and out of time, who doesn't suffer belligerence well. Who the hell wants to do something if it's like going to the dentist without anesthesia?
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:50 am

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How the hell did that double-post?
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:51 am

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Why not replace out?
Why are you being so anti town?
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:51 am

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Vote me, Guyett.

This'll hurt TIT more than me, AND IT'S ANOTHER CRAZY GAMBIT, BWA-HA-HA!!!

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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:51 am

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A very very big part of me wants to call your bluff here
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:52 am

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In post 136, Guyett wrote:Why not replace out?
Why are you being so anti town?
Because, read my post.

Newbie players need to learn the dangers of ardent paranoia.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:52 am

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Do you think TIT is scum?
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:53 am

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In post 138, Guyett wrote:A very very big part of me wants to call your bluff here
Do it, or I'll start posting in all-caps. :twisted: :lol:
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:53 am

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I know I'm not a shining light of super town play (both Bulba and GM can testify to that) but as a SE in a newbie game is this really the best way to teach newbies?
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:53 am

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In post 141, Wake1 wrote:
In post 138, Guyett wrote:A very very big part of me wants to call your bluff here
Do it, or I'll start posting in all-caps. :twisted: :lol:
CAPSLOCK PARTY?
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:54 am

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In post 140, Guyett wrote:Do you think TIT is scum?
I think he's a stubborn, narrow-sighted ass who fucking ruined this game for me.


And he's null.
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:55 am

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WTF is wrong with you?
Dont sign up to games if you can't handle the confrontation!!! Especially don't do this in Newbie games.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:56 am

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In post 142, Guyett wrote:I know I'm not a shining light of super town play (both Bulba and GM can testify to that) but as a SE in a newbie game is this really the best way to teach newbies?
If I had both the patience and the time to mentally kick TIT in the ass so hard that he'd be choking on dark meat, no.

But, you really ought to consider my constraints and my absolute lack of patience or empathy for woefully erroneous people.
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:57 am

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In post 145, Guyett wrote:WTF is wrong with you?
Dont sign up to games if you can't handle the confrontation!!! Especially don't do this in Newbie games.
No, listen.

This is going to be a learning experience all the same.

There should be more articles on MS about how to deal with crappy players like TIT.
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:59 am

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In post 7, Wake1 wrote:On Mafiascum.net I'm SE. When it comes to playing Mafia, it's about 6 years. I'm known to do risky(fun) gambits as Town, and am good at being Scum. Work has kept me working night and day some 60+ hours per week, and with four other games it can be tough to contribute.

If you're new, as GM stated know you can trust her on game theory, but don't assume she's Town. People can be surprisingly devious in this game, as well as paranoid. I prefer noting what people have done, and, adjacently... speculating on who may or may not have done what. Some think speculation is bad in Mafia, but until the game starts unfolding, it's quite important.

Also, it's great to be active and generate discussion. As Town I usually serve as a catalyst to really heat things up. Scum loves it when people are disinterested and don't contribute because it makes life very easy for them.
Lob some accusations, analyze what people do and say, question things, and don't be afraid of stupid people who just want to be obstructionists.


Keep doing that, and maybe, just maybe Scum will slip. Scum has an extreme advantage over us, and they'll expect us to fight and flail against one another in the dark, instead of being calm, considerate, and being willing to work together.
Your recent play has basically given a big FUCK YOU to your post here. I've highlighted a relevant point...

Don't make a post like this if you don't want to teach properly. Especially don't go around calling new players crappy because they attack you.
Fuck sake this is annoying me. Please do not /in as a SE in the newbie queue if you have no interest in playing properly
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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:02 am

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Wake does this all the time. He claimed town tracker in an close setup which helped the mafia more than it helped town. It was one of the main reason we lost that game. I have more on this but i cannot comment on ongoing games.
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