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Nightfall brings up an interesting point. Teucer did explain a lot, and ended up repeating himself at the end so more pressure on him would either make him slip up if he really was scum or it might filter out a scum who might slip up while we're all pressuring teucer. So when dahen said, "it wouldn't hurt to pressure teucer", he was right. It wouldn't hurt anyone but scum or a power role who gets misunderstood and is lynched accidentally.
So we can apply the same logic to dahen and pressure him until he slips up or someone else does?
So we can apply the same logic to dahen and pressure him until he slips up or someone else does?
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Huh?Maximus wrote:Nightfall brings up an interesting point. Teucer did explain a lot, and ended up repeating himself at the end so more pressure on him would either make him slip up if he really was scum or it might filter out a scum who might slip up while we're all pressuring teucer. So when dahen said, "it wouldn't hurt to pressure teucer", he was right. It wouldn't hurt anyone but scum or a power role who gets misunderstood and is lynched accidentally.
So we can apply the same logic to dahen and pressure him until he slips up or someone else does?
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It sounds like you think dahen was right to pressure teucer since it should bring good results. If that's the case, why are you switching off of Teucer and onto dahen? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Here's a summary I did (no analysis) just to make it easier for me and future replacements. (I'm replacing in, re2fan will get replaced, and mert will get replaced too since he's no longer playing mafia.) I called Teucer SV (me), but I'm a she... just felt too weird to claim I said stuff teucer said. And it took a little too long because I kept mixing up dah and das, and nightfall and nightson.
Day start.
Random votes:
Nightson votes mert.
HH votes nightfall.
Eon votes SV.
nightfall votes nightson.
maximus votes das.
DAS votes SV for bad reaction.
SV says it's due to lack of sleep.
mert votes fs for saying scum didn't submit a nightchoice.
fa apologises, random votes kirby, votes lurker re2fan.
DAH votes for nightson (because of fritz), after clarification, votes for nightfall.
SV votes for nightfall (tie at deadline, no other reason)
nightson votes for SV
mert votes for SV (for saying no reason)
DAH X2.
SV: tie at deadline = no lynch, therefore vote for nightfall, says he's dead, claims non power role.
FA: he doesn't like SV saying he's dead.
nightson: votes will change during deadline.
KIR: says SV makes sense, SV at -2.
SV: says he will look at wagon on SV, said he was dead because he thought -1.
SV igmeoy nightson for voting without a reason.
nightson: reason = gut + SV > nightfall.
HH: can't decide. Says SV missed the statement.
DAH: doesn't like giving up + townie claim.
MAXfoses SV, asks 1) how he knows nightfall = scum, 2) voted for nightfall before rereading the thread to find someone more scummy like what he promised to do 3) for wanting to lynch someone SV has no info on, when he could be a power role.
nightfall: why did SV vote for nightfall and not someone with 1 vote, to make a 3 way tie, foses SV.
HH: SV assumed town will lynch him or nightfall, set himself up to be fallback lynch if town no consensus on scum. Interesting --> how much sympathy he received from everyone incl. his voters.
SV: he doesn't want a no-lynch. He claimed because it's better for town if he survives + pressure. Voted nightfall to break tie, better for town to lynch unknown person than townie.
nightfall: SV more pro-town.
SV: unvotes nightfall, votes nightson.
mert unvotes SV.
DEADLINE LIFTED.
EON posts non-content.
SV unvotes nightson
HH: asks reason for vote/unvote
FA: SV is scummiest, vote-hopping.
DAS returns.
nightfall: SV is confusing.
SV: voted for nightson because of deadline, and he was most scummy. He wasn't confident about it, so the unvote. Claims vanilla townie.
HH: says he wasn't asking for a claim. asks why SV changed vote right before deadline without giving nightson a chance to respond.
nightson: busy, content later.
nightfall: SV = townie, was too eager to help.
DAS: asks SV what he thinks about claiming.
SV: already gave nightson a chance to respond when he said non-random + unexplained vote = scummy. Says he wouldn't have claimed if he didn't think he was -1.
mert = busy, asks SV to answer das's question.
SV: didn't want to claim, hasn't helped.
EON: unvotes, foses mert for being aggressive.
MAX: unvote, says SV panicked. says FA's reason is sketchy.
DAS: unvotes, fos SV.
MAX: says SV is new, but hasn't helped town because scum won't nk him.
FA: Reasons for voting SV 1) voting for nightfall 2) giving up 3) vote-hopping 4) pre-crash unknown, votes SV.
MAX: I see the light.
SV: thinks FA had a decent reason to vote for SV.
RE pops in.
KIR: no suspicions, SV seems most scummy, no vote.
EON: why?
FA: read.
DAH: think that's all the reasons.
CRASH
nightfall: SV most scummy, but could be townie.
DAS votes SV.
Random votes:
Nightson votes FA.
HH says there's no reason to vote SV, random votes DAH.
Nightfall votes EON.
EON votes DAS.
FA votes DAS
nightfall votes dahen for "trying to identify excuses to be used later as to why he would place his vote on teucer." DAH said it's hard to lynch properly, a little more pressure won't hurt.
KIR random votes nightfall.
MAX: SV explain a lot, repeated himself, more pressure would make him slip up or filter out scum who might slip up while pressuring SV. So DAH was 'right', wouldn't hurt anyone but scum/power role.
HH: foses MAX since MAX thinks DAH was right to pressure, yet votes DAH.
Day start.
Random votes:
Nightson votes mert.
HH votes nightfall.
Eon votes SV.
nightfall votes nightson.
maximus votes das.
DAS votes SV for bad reaction.
SV says it's due to lack of sleep.
mert votes fs for saying scum didn't submit a nightchoice.
fa apologises, random votes kirby, votes lurker re2fan.
DAH votes for nightson (because of fritz), after clarification, votes for nightfall.
SV votes for nightfall (tie at deadline, no other reason)
nightson votes for SV
mert votes for SV (for saying no reason)
DAH X2.
SV: tie at deadline = no lynch, therefore vote for nightfall, says he's dead, claims non power role.
FA: he doesn't like SV saying he's dead.
nightson: votes will change during deadline.
KIR: says SV makes sense, SV at -2.
SV: says he will look at wagon on SV, said he was dead because he thought -1.
SV igmeoy nightson for voting without a reason.
nightson: reason = gut + SV > nightfall.
HH: can't decide. Says SV missed the statement.
DAH: doesn't like giving up + townie claim.
MAXfoses SV, asks 1) how he knows nightfall = scum, 2) voted for nightfall before rereading the thread to find someone more scummy like what he promised to do 3) for wanting to lynch someone SV has no info on, when he could be a power role.
nightfall: why did SV vote for nightfall and not someone with 1 vote, to make a 3 way tie, foses SV.
HH: SV assumed town will lynch him or nightfall, set himself up to be fallback lynch if town no consensus on scum. Interesting --> how much sympathy he received from everyone incl. his voters.
SV: he doesn't want a no-lynch. He claimed because it's better for town if he survives + pressure. Voted nightfall to break tie, better for town to lynch unknown person than townie.
nightfall: SV more pro-town.
SV: unvotes nightfall, votes nightson.
mert unvotes SV.
DEADLINE LIFTED.
EON posts non-content.
SV unvotes nightson
HH: asks reason for vote/unvote
FA: SV is scummiest, vote-hopping.
DAS returns.
nightfall: SV is confusing.
SV: voted for nightson because of deadline, and he was most scummy. He wasn't confident about it, so the unvote. Claims vanilla townie.
HH: says he wasn't asking for a claim. asks why SV changed vote right before deadline without giving nightson a chance to respond.
nightson: busy, content later.
nightfall: SV = townie, was too eager to help.
DAS: asks SV what he thinks about claiming.
SV: already gave nightson a chance to respond when he said non-random + unexplained vote = scummy. Says he wouldn't have claimed if he didn't think he was -1.
mert = busy, asks SV to answer das's question.
SV: didn't want to claim, hasn't helped.
EON: unvotes, foses mert for being aggressive.
MAX: unvote, says SV panicked. says FA's reason is sketchy.
DAS: unvotes, fos SV.
MAX: says SV is new, but hasn't helped town because scum won't nk him.
FA: Reasons for voting SV 1) voting for nightfall 2) giving up 3) vote-hopping 4) pre-crash unknown, votes SV.
MAX: I see the light.
SV: thinks FA had a decent reason to vote for SV.
RE pops in.
KIR: no suspicions, SV seems most scummy, no vote.
EON: why?
FA: read.
DAH: think that's all the reasons.
CRASH
nightfall: SV most scummy, but could be townie.
DAS votes SV.
Random votes:
Nightson votes FA.
HH says there's no reason to vote SV, random votes DAH.
Nightfall votes EON.
EON votes DAS.
FA votes DAS
nightfall votes dahen for "trying to identify excuses to be used later as to why he would place his vote on teucer." DAH said it's hard to lynch properly, a little more pressure won't hurt.
KIR random votes nightfall.
MAX: SV explain a lot, repeated himself, more pressure would make him slip up or filter out scum who might slip up while pressuring SV. So DAH was 'right', wouldn't hurt anyone but scum/power role.
HH: foses MAX since MAX thinks DAH was right to pressure, yet votes DAH.
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Who's on top of my LOS:
Eon. Look at his behaviour (summary above) before he posted he wouldn't be around (or something like that.) He lurks for pretty much half the entire game (before the lifting of the deadline). When he finally reappears, he posts non-content. Then again disappears, ignores my issue, and foses mert for being aggressive. Since when was being aggressive a scum-tell?
I read Eon's being non-commital, and lurkiness (by posting non-content to attempt to seem not lurking) as scum-tells, and I'd like to hear an explanation from him. (Yes, I have post 129, but I'd still like a response.)
I'm also unhappy with the way nightson kicked off the random voting. I think there was quite a bit of significant information pre-2nd-crash. Since my predecessor survived under pressure for quite long, scum could be trying to move off and place someone else under heat. That leaves me as a possible fallback lynch for town, while conveniently moving off the spotlight to out another pro-town.
I also have some issue with Max, but I'll wait for his response 130 first.
Eon. Look at his behaviour (summary above) before he posted he wouldn't be around (or something like that.) He lurks for pretty much half the entire game (before the lifting of the deadline). When he finally reappears, he posts non-content. Then again disappears, ignores my issue, and foses mert for being aggressive. Since when was being aggressive a scum-tell?
I read Eon's being non-commital, and lurkiness (by posting non-content to attempt to seem not lurking) as scum-tells, and I'd like to hear an explanation from him. (Yes, I have post 129, but I'd still like a response.)
I'm also unhappy with the way nightson kicked off the random voting. I think there was quite a bit of significant information pre-2nd-crash. Since my predecessor survived under pressure for quite long, scum could be trying to move off and place someone else under heat. That leaves me as a possible fallback lynch for town, while conveniently moving off the spotlight to out another pro-town.
I also have some issue with Max, but I'll wait for his response 130 first.
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Spectrum, honey i cant post anything because i have problem to get near computer, right now im being in place with no computer and where internet costs 20 bucks per hour.
Also if i think MERTs reaction wasnt very good, i should keep it myself?
I FOSed and not voted, and when i asked
SV stuff overall, i got reply READ, i just wanted to look how he changed his mind during that time.
Also if i think MERTs reaction wasnt very good, i should keep it myself?
I FOSed and not voted, and when i asked
SV stuff overall, i got reply READ, i just wanted to look how he changed his mind during that time.
Well, teucer explained himself, a lot, and even dahen agreed that teucer's explanation was "too much". The reason I switched my votes was because pressuring teucer would be like beating a dead horse. We've already harassed him enough, I think although I'm probably wrong, and we haven't really gathered much information out of the wagon (or maybe we did, and I'm missing it?). So, I thought it would be a fresh start if we pressured dahen. Although, now I see how I could come off scummy because I look like a vote hopper now with terrible excuses for switching votes.
And Eon's fos of mert was pretty lame, now that I look back at it. Mert simply asked SV to answer das' question (and SV had posted after das asked the question hence mert's demand for SV to answer the question). I don't think mert was being too aggressive, he was simply pointing out to SV that he should answer the question that das asked.
And Eon's fos of mert was pretty lame, now that I look back at it. Mert simply asked SV to answer das' question (and SV had posted after das asked the question hence mert's demand for SV to answer the question). I don't think mert was being too aggressive, he was simply pointing out to SV that he should answer the question that das asked.
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Activity of the game is slow because of the players. You were one of the guilty ones simply because you did not add to conversation. I don't care what happened in the crashes, most of the rest managed to post after the crashes. The problem I have with you is that you are around, yet post non-content. I won't bother quoting, refer to my summary above. Eon voted me, disappeared till the deadline was lifted, posted non-content. This occured when there were some issues going on, it wasn't as if there was nothing to respond to. I swear I didn't miss out any of Eon's posts. That's what I deem as lurking in plain sight.
I'd still like to hear from nightson. I know that beating a dead horse (to quote Max) won't help, but I disagree that we didn't get any info from pressuring me.
I'd still like to hear from nightson. I know that beating a dead horse (to quote Max) won't help, but I disagree that we didn't get any info from pressuring me.
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I'm not sure I get the displeasure about Nightson. The game had stalled, we were more than a week out of the last crash and the wagon on you (Teucer) had fizzled out. I'm not sure what he should have done, but I don't understand why a "restart" is bad. I also must have missed the significant information, so would you mind clarifying that for us?spectrumvoid wrote:Who's on top of my LOS:
Eon. Look at his behaviour (summary above) before he posted he wouldn't be around (or something like that.) He lurks for pretty much half the entire game (before the lifting of the deadline). When he finally reappears, he posts non-content. Then again disappears, ignores my issue, and foses mert for being aggressive. Since when was being aggressive a scum-tell?
I read Eon's being non-commital, and lurkiness (by posting non-content to attempt to seem not lurking) as scum-tells, and I'd like to hear an explanation from him. (Yes, I have post 129, but I'd still like a response.)
I'm also unhappy with the way nightson kicked off the random voting. I think there was quite a bit of significant information pre-2nd-crash. Since my predecessor survived under pressure for quite long, scum could be trying to move off and place someone else under heat. That leaves me as a possible fallback lynch for town, while conveniently moving off the spotlight to out another pro-town.
I also have some issue with Max, but I'll wait for his response 130 first.
First, I'm auto-proddin myself after being away and putting the little time I've had on other mafia games.
Then, Mod, I'm sorry for failing to specify who I unvoted.
Now, onto the game.
Nightson wanting to start over. Might be questioned, but I'd say valid at the time, since there was no activity. We shouldn't forget teucer though.
Maximus: Sure, you can pressure someone else if you like, but it's not much pressure if you just say you're voting me for something to happen. I can't really defend against it and it doesn't worry me more than a random vote. If there is anything you want me to explain please ask.
I'm not sure about EON, but this comment (after him being accused) is not very helpful:
Are there words missing from your post 134? "and when I asked..."
Then, Mod, I'm sorry for failing to specify who I unvoted.
Now, onto the game.
Nightson wanting to start over. Might be questioned, but I'd say valid at the time, since there was no activity. We shouldn't forget teucer though.
unvote: teucer
Trying to identify excuses for LATER voting teucer? I voted teucer in that particular post for the reason stated. I still think his actions are scummiest so far. Now let's see what SV can do. She picks EON as top canidate. Hard to get anything from him if he doesn't have access.Nightfall wrote: unvote: Eon
Vote: dahen
Why? I did a reread and out of the little that we have posted, this post by him seems to be the scummiest to me. He seems to be trying to identify excuses to be used later as to why he would place his vote on teucer.
dahen wrote: A deadline already? Ouch. It's really hard to lynch properly when we are just leaving the random voting phase. A little more pressure on teucer probably won't hurt though. His explanation was too much.
unvote, vote teucer.
Let's see what happens.
Maximus: Sure, you can pressure someone else if you like, but it's not much pressure if you just say you're voting me for something to happen. I can't really defend against it and it doesn't worry me more than a random vote. If there is anything you want me to explain please ask.
I'm not sure about EON, but this comment (after him being accused) is not very helpful:
There is at least a small case against you. If you are unavailable, then say so. Otherwise, please respond to it.Eon wrote: Lets think, millions of crashes, and slow activity of this game.
fos: Eon
Are there words missing from your post 134? "and when I asked..."
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Too tired to list out the significant bits now, but at least take a look at who attacked me near the beginning, who started changing his mind later (nightson, mert), who attacked throughout (FA), who defended me (kirby), and who more-or-less stayed out of it (hh.) Left out a couple of people because I can't remember, but my summary in post 132 lists them out.
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Dahen seems to be really interested in a Teucer lynch, but he unvoted?dahen wrote:Nightson wanting to start over. Might be questioned, but I'd say valid at the time, since there was no activity. We shouldn't forget teucer though.
unvote: teucer
We got a deadline pretty early on this game and it seemed to give us a little boost. Another one wouldn't be too bad if we don't pick up the pace here in the next few days...
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Stuck? Unsure of what to do? Try starting at the beginning of the process all over again. Then you could make new progress. If you really feel stuck, then ask for someone to deadline you. People always work better under pressure.
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Eon: I think you misunderstood. My major case for you is: when everyone was talking + there was some discussion of a couple of issues (like whether I was scummy), you were around (you posted) but you didn't contribute at all. Ie I think you're scummy because of your inactivity in the past, not your inactivity now.
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