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got no idea how you could have a read on aneninen but id love to hear it

Alright this is the part of dps argument that I haven't responded too already/isn't crap

↑ Errantparabola wrote:

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:

↑ Errantparabola wrote:to clarify my response to 101:
I don't think that you sitting back and watching is alignment indicative.
However, I don't like that you felt the need to say that unprovoked.

I think he was sufficiently provoked.

I see how Eagle would come to the conclusion that I think him not voting is scummy. But I don't think that. I just don't believe that Eagle made the conscious decision to not vote in hopes that someone with an RVS voting philosophy like me would come along and question him on it.

Yes I can. You know how? Because I've played multiple games before on another site. And almost every game when someone doesn't vote, someone else responds by asking why not. It also happened the last time this game was run. Inte said "first" and then was asked why he didn't vote. So that's actually part of what this plan was based on. But that wasn't the big part of the plan.

↑ Errantparabola wrote:One more thing before I go.

I find it hard to consolidate the attitude of "prefer to sit back and watch" with the action of "purposely do something in hopes that it will provoke someone"

When you like to sit back, MORE, not less, of what you do is intentional, in my opinion. You have to do something with that time you have to think. Doing things intentionally is how you clarify your reads. If you're down in the middle of everything all the time it's hard to take time apart to think (for me) to make a plan to get reads intentionally.

↑ T S O wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

Keep reading, friend.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Alright this is the part of dps argument that I haven't responded too already/isn't crap/

isn't you just saying you "refuse to buy" something

Ebwop

It also happened the last time this game was run. Inte said "first" and then was asked why he didn't vote. So that's actually part of what this plan was based on. But that wasn't the big part of the plan.

Link in case you don't believe me: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6678832

↑ Aneninen wrote:Intuition says she's scum.

Oh, Nenny, deary, such flattery is unnecessary when speaking to me.

Please, just say, "instinct says she's scum".

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Deary, what you say here does not match what you said earlier.

VOTE: Passionate Storm.

Errant also be sour, however, I am not sure of this.

...Actually, while Passionate Storm is a sourread of mine, I think that I'd rather do this:
VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

↑ grapes wrote:got no idea how you could have a read on aneninen but id love to hear it

I just disliked the tone of one of his posts. Purely gut.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

Keep reading, friend.

I don't understand why I would "keep reading" when whatever you didn't like was before post 34.

So, now that your deflection has failed - what didn't you like about the thread at that point?

I haven't played Mafia in about two months. While it's lovely to be back, I really don't feel like having to repeat myself.

I sort-of want to call TSO sour for how his posts come off as being unproductive, however, that is probably this old lady being senile.

They're not particularly productive, I'll admit. Call it rust.

Give me a week, and I'll be kicking ass and taking names.

↑ T S O wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

Keep reading, friend.

I don't understand why I would "keep reading" when whatever you didn't like was before post 34.

So, now that your deflection has failed - what didn't you like about the thread at that point?

I get the feeling I'm going to be quoting myself all game.

Here's both of the times I've explained myself.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ Aneninen wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I don't like the thread right now.

Why?

That is a silly question to ask, little bird, when it has already been answered. But it is ok. I shall share it again.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

I'll give it a little longer

And if you want an explanation for those, you're going to have to read the rest of the thread instead of skimming and bs-ing your way through

↑ T S O wrote:I haven't played Mafia in about two months. While it's lovely to be back, I really don't feel like having to repeat myself.

Really?!? Me neither!

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:I sort-of want to call TSO sour for how his posts come off as being unproductive, however, that is probably this old lady being senile.

You aren't. He's being unproductive.

Oh him being unproductive is not in question; he even admitted as such.
The potentially-senile bit is calling him scum for it.

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:

↑ Aneninen wrote:Intuition says she's scum.

Oh, Nenny, deary, such flattery is unnecessary when speaking to me.

Please, just say, "instinct says she's scum".

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Deary, what you say here does not match what you said earlier.

VOTE: Passionate Storm.

Errant

may

also be sour, however, I am not sure of this.

...Actually, while Passionate Storm is a sourread of mine, I think that I'd rather do this:
VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.

~Titus

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

↑ Garmr wrote:6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

And I would think a town member would read before voting. Instead of skimming.

Quick question, what does "never does" mean?

I'm starting to regret signing up for this one. Honestly if you're just going to skim, Imo, you don't have time to play the game.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:This sounds like you have more here, but you don't want to give the analysis because it's easier to go after Eagle.

How did you take "nothing to say about them" and get "this sounds like you have more here"

I'll try and wrap my head around 119 in a minute
But 126 actually isn't that bad.

And Eagle, thank you for finally providing evidence as to your non-voting strategy instead of writing it off as "silly"

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ Garmr wrote:6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

And I would think a town member would read before voting. Instead of skimming.

Quick question, what does "never does" mean?

A skim means a quick readin this case I skimmed every post................

You never really found any more reasons to vote or devalidate your vote on epola It feels like you just want a place to place your vote. I would expect town to try and get information out of their scum read instead of just defending there vote.

Are there any other reasons you think his scummy?

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm starting to regret signing up for this one. Honestly if you're just going to skim, Imo, you don't have time to play the game.

Well fuck you to.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
1. Ep saw someone not voting
2. Ep took the bait and voted easy way
Clarifying: nothing up to here is scummy or towny. Just falling for bait.
3. Ep reacts aggressively, using argument that not voting doesn't get people to react aggressively
4. I watch and wait
5. Ep continues aggression
6. I tell Ep he is being silly and start to give up on anyone voting for bait
7. Ep backs off a little to explain himself and realizes his argument is self-contradictory
This is kind of scummy because usually town pursue reads excessively beyond a shadow of a doubt, imo. But backing off is ok. He could be reasonable type
8. Ep responds to being called out for backing off by attacking again
This is definitely scummy for obv reasons
9. Ep makes a bs argument to pursue in order to try to look like town again and maybe distract me from other things because I'm busy responding to him.

Other reasons I'm scum reading him:
1. Tunnels me and ignores Gwen - kinda scummy but not super
2. No one votes for him as bait. Also very slight

2) What does "voted easy way" mean? To me, that doesn't sound like something town would do. And yet, you say that it isn't scummy or towny.
7) This logic is incredibly shady. Town pursues reads excessively beyond a shadow of a doubt? Are you kidding? Where the hell did you pull that from?
8) And you still haven't explain where the hell I've "backed off." Try and explain that to me before basing an argument off of it.
9) I'm glad that you think that you can just write off an argument as BS without proving it and expect me to believe it.

As for the other reasons.
1) You know, it could be possible that I don't actually think that the Gwen v PS thing is alignment indicative. But of course, since I don't agree with you, I must be scum.
2) No one is voting for me. Must be scum. Hmm.

Oh, and by the way, what happened to the whole "theory" attack? Still think that I'm scum for that?

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

I take that back. I don't think Eagle is town. More like null. UNVOTE:
Give me some time to think

↑ Errantparabola wrote:
2) What does "voted easy way" mean? To me, that doesn't sound like something town would do. And yet, you say that it isn't scummy or towny.
7) This logic is incredibly shady. Town pursues reads excessively beyond a shadow of a doubt? Are you kidding? Where the hell did you pull that from?
8) And you still haven't explain where the hell I've "backed off." Try and explain that to me before basing an argument off of it.
9) I'm glad that you think that you can just write off an argument as BS without proving it and expect me to believe it.

As for the other reasons.
1) You know, it could be possible that I don't actually think that the Gwen v PS thing is alignment indicative. But of course, since I don't agree with you, I must be scum.
2) No one is voting for me. Must be scum. Hmm.

Oh, and by the way, what happened to the whole "theory" attack? Still think that I'm scum for that?

2. It means voting for something provocative. And scum might do it as an easy place to put a vote: being less than fun to be around is a good way to get votes from either alignment, imo.
7. I have seen it multiple times and I would be surprised to hear you hadn't: town hardcore attacks and hounds a read beyond the point of them becoming pretty apparently town to everyone else. That's what I meant. Yes, I admit, my stuff can be better worded at times, and I apologize for that
8.

↑ Errantparabola wrote:Eagle-

1) For clarification, are you actively claiming to be purposely withholding a vote in order to gauge reactions from people that notice it?
2) In response to your question, I post what I think I can bring to the table. If something has already been said, no need to say it again.

The above post is nowhere near as offensively worded or frustrating to try and understand or respond to as your other posts. This is "backing off" in a way, because I read it as you being understandable, nice, and helpful. Something scum might do after they've been scum read in an attempt to buddy and be town read. It is a weak tell, yes, but it's there, and my read on you is not strong.
9. I called your argument bs because fmpov you kept saying "not voting isn't as good as voting you must be scum" when my not voting got better reactions. I reread the other post where you said it was because of you don't believe me which isn't exactly flattering, but it's not bs. So you're right here.
1 (again). Not strong. But you did ignore that.
2 (again). again. Not strong. But it's what I expected.


In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

Our avatar is ballin'

~Spiffy

↑ Garmr wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I'm starting to regret signing up for this one. Honestly if you're just going to skim, Imo, you don't have time to play the game.

Well fuck you to.

Let me put it this way. If you don't have time to read my posts and attempt to understand them, then why would your posts be informed enough for them to be worth my time to read and respond to fully? The only people who can fully play to their wincon and not really read the thread/skim it are scum, because they already have everything figured out.

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

↑ Spifflop wrote:From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

~Spiffy