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Night Hunters is sure scummy IMO.
Wonder if anyone is going to call them out on it besides me.

↑ Night Hunters wrote:You're claiming that because you don't agree our scumread is forced? That makes no sense.

It's not just that I don't agree, it's the way you're aggressively over-selling the scumread. 90 looked to me like you're shaping your read of Fire around your scumread of SirCakez, without considering alternative scenarios where SirCakez is town, which is why I asked you about it.

↑ Night Hunters wrote:Your train of thought also reeks of bullshit. You asked us why Fire scum and SirCakez might be scum together in 104 and you argued our answer in 106 was creating unjust associative pairings. You asking a question that suggests we assume a preflip association (that might or might not be true) cannot be a logical foundation for claiming preflip associations are scummy.

I was hoping to see some sort of deeper thinking or natural doubt when I asked 104, but instead you just again restated this SC-and-maybe-Fire theory in plainest terms possible.

And to act like you're not forming an association there or pushing Fire on it (with the parenthetical "might or might not be true") is bogus. You're obviously scumreading SirCakez, and you're obviously suspecting Fire for townreading him, and you literally said "they make sense as partners" just a sentence later.

@GuiltyLion, I miss your old avi man. What happened to Nathan Fielder!!

↑ Firebringer wrote:Night Hunters is sure scummy IMO.
Wonder if anyone is going to call them out on it besides me.

↑ Firebringer wrote:@GuiltyLion, I miss your old avi man. What happened to Nathan Fielder!!

Hahah, I might bring him back soon! I'm starting to get tired of this one

SirCakez if you got a problem with my town read on you well than you

One of Titus biggest scum traits I have noticed is to push anyone that doesn't agree with her. And try to get people who agree with her on as a town read.
Just saying.

Dwlee I find more nullish right now, I don't know his scum traits but he usually isn't this opinionated this early. So thats different.

Fire why are you still voting massive then?

@BBT, Does GL's push to attack the suggestion that Fire and SirCakez could be scum together while refusing to address the trajectory issue look bad or am I just wanting to scumread everyone who defends Cakez at the moment? He says my scumread is forced, I lay it out there and GL doesn't say anything about it. He's complaining rather about the methods I am using to "oversell" my scumread, which is a thinly veiled discredit rather than a substantive response.

Given the amount of deep thoughts I am putting into the thread, GL asking for deep thoughts is wierd. Rather, GL seems to be fishing for reasons to change my mind or paint me as unreasonable in my push on SirCakez rather than respond to why he doesn't want SirCakez wagoned.

@GL, Until Fire justifies what pinged his gut, he doesn't get a pass on that. *shrug* You seem much more concerned with painting my arguments than actually responding to them. You say my scumread on Cakez is oversold. Are you scumreading Cakez and just objecting to my methods? Then why ankle bite me. Are you townreading Cakez? Then why are you focused more on my perception rather than analyzing the substance of my arguments.

The attempt to move my independent but possibly aligned scumreads to the both being certain scum is bad. If you try to force all my posts to be arguing that Fire and Cakez must be scum together, you can argue only one is town and then dismiss the case on the other.

Why are you focused on the perception of me?

~Titus

↑ SirCakez wrote:Fire why are you still voting massive then?

Because I can.

↑ Firebringer wrote:One of Titus biggest scum traits I have noticed is to push anyone that doesn't agree with her. And try to get people who agree with her on as a town read.
Just saying.

Dwlee I find more nullish right now, I don't know his scum traits but he usually isn't this opinionated this early. So thats different.

That is 100% the opposite of what happened in this thread.

I townread BBT despite him engaging in suboptimal but obvtown play at the start.
Then I gave him room to work on massive.
Then Cakez had a scummy whiteknight which got this whole thing started.

Why are you referencing scum traits that have no relevance to the thread at hand?

~MamaBear

↑ SirCakez wrote:I've been mislynched for this exact same "questioning a wagon, wants attention on anyone else" bullshit before and it's very irritating. There are definitely scum pushing this and 114 makes me pretty confident its NH.

Questioning a wagon is one thing, being willing to wagon one person and then questioning the wagon on someone else for the same reason (RVS, in this case), is where my issue is with what you did.

↑ Firebringer wrote:I like how people want me to explain my reads.
Like you all have played with me before.

Its really hilarious.

Hey, a man can dream!

↑ shaddowez wrote:Questioning a wagon is one thing, being willing to wagon one person and then questioning the wagon on someone else for the same reason (RVS, in this case), is where my issue is with what you did.

I feel like a broken record here. Massive wagon was post-RVS, thus not same reasons.

Titus why did you dodge my last question?

124 is a response to 123.

I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.

~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)

↑ shaddowez wrote:Hey, a man can dream!

One of my favorite songs ever.

↑ Night Hunters wrote:124 is a response to 123.

I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.

~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)

Why do you only want to talk to BBT?
You think he is the only reasonable person here?

↑ SirCakez wrote:

↑ shaddowez wrote:Questioning a wagon is one thing, being willing to wagon one person and then questioning the wagon on someone else for the same reason (RVS, in this case), is where my issue is with what you did.

I feel like a broken record here. Massive wagon was post-RVS, thus not same reasons.

Titus why did you dodge my last question?

And you completely ignored my questions to you in 116.

I actually missed 124, but its also another bad post because it didn't actually address the fact that town in this situation will make reads and push others regardless.
@Shaddowez I thought I did, let me check.

↑ Night Hunters wrote:124 is a response to 123.

I think you're going with whine here. I am done until BBT gets back.

~MamaBear (who occasionally is forgetful and signs as Titus)

Mama is a cruel bear

↑ shaddowez wrote:What defines the end of RVS to you? You said you had town reads but didn't mention scum reads, which means you still have to place your vote somewhere, or do something else to continue getting reads. If RVS ends when you just get a couple of reads and everybody stops doing things, the game is just going to stagnate.

I consider the end of RVS to be when someone has starts making a serious push, I;e in this case NH attacking Zefiend for rolefishing.
I already stated that I was waiting to see where NH went with that specific push when the massive wagon formed so I questioned it.

I think I am just going to post music in this game all game.
It will help you guys read me, I am sure.

Will get to this later, looks good though.

Also, I'm down for policy lynching Fire.

↑ BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, I'm down for policy lynching Fire.

I could get down for this, if someone points out who is fire?

That would be you.