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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:34 am
by Transcend
Also I have no idea why, but everyone has a knack for mistyping my username.
PEDIT: i don't care if someone else foses my townread. like you said we're all gonna have different reads this game. his vote on io wasn't scummy to me, even though i think it's wrong.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:35 am
by Transcend
motherk double post
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:43 am
by Luna Fox
I agree it's wrong, i think its probably some misunderstanding/misrepresentation going around and i mentioned that earlier, but i wanted to know your opinion.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:45 am
by Transcend
ok
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:12 am
by Io
In post 105, gigabyteTroubadour wrote: In post 76, karnos wrote:Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.
Io, is this and post #70 what lead you to believe that Karnos is adamant about Thor's lynch? If not, could you tell me what I missed?
Karnos, how are you reading Thor at the moment?
Yes.
He's still a scum read, and that vote on me is just stupidly grasping for something to take pressure off of him by his terrible reasoning as to why I am wrong about how I think.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:19 am
by Thor665
Karnos does look a little flaily to me, but he does appear to have a valid point that you're stretching in your value calls on his stated beliefs.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:13 pm
by Rosske
wow i had no idea this started.
VOTE: Thor665
Just gut.
I'll answer questions tomorrow if thats still a thing.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:17 pm
by Transcend
welcome to the game rosske.
only gut???
do you have any reasons in this game to support your vote?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:20 pm
by Rosske
not yet! only gut!
also
64 and
119 in juxtaposition
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:29 pm
by Transcend
In post 64, Thor665 wrote:
No - what part of 'I townread you' is confusing?
You are a townread.
You're voting Karnos.
Ergo, if I'm right about you, statistically by voting who you vote I'm more likely to target scum.
HOLY FUCK THIS POST IS 20 LEVELS OF AWFUL
VOTE: Thor
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:59 pm
by Killthestory
i'm glad you people saw what I saw many pages ago.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:46 pm
by Transcend
well this died. hi people.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:03 pm
by Luna Fox
It's only been 6 hours since KTS's post, chill.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:56 pm
by Transcend
just a bit annoyed this was my only day off this week from work lol.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:12 pm
by karnos
In post 105, gigabyteTroubadour wrote: In post 76, karnos wrote:Unless you think Thor & I are the sort of players who would bus each other day 1.
Io, is this and post #70 what lead you to believe that Karnos is adamant about Thor's lynch? If not, could you tell me what I missed?
Karnos, how are you reading Thor at the moment?
Thos *is* acting scummy, though not as much as Io, and I only have one vote.
The problem I have with Thor is his logic is inconsistent. He thinks his read is so good he can trust you as town after only a couple posts. Okay, maybe his read is so good, but if you accept that he is so good at reading people, then shouldn't he pick his own scum to vote, based on his amazing reads? Instead he chooses to sheep you. It's like he is saying he is so good at reading people that he is 100% convinced you are town, but at the same time he isn't confident enough in his reads to independently vote on his biggest scum read. It's a weird inconsistency to me.
There is one perfectly logical conclusion, is that he read you as town and I was his biggest scum read, and that would make perfect sense... but when he was questioned about his vote, he didn't say that was the case... he just said he was sheeping you. It's like he doesn't want to take personal responsibility for the vote, doesn't want to be associated with it. He wants to support the wagon on me but give himself a nice out after I flip town.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:19 pm
by karnos
After giga voted me for not liking my answers, I was just thinking about my last game with a questionnaire, where some players skipped it entirely. \
If players know the questionnaire will be used to call them scum, but there is no penalty at all for skipping it entirely, then there is a bit of an incentive to just ignore the questionnaire, rather than answer it. Which makes the whole thing kind of silly and useless.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:21 pm
by karnos
And interestingly enough, in that newbie game, the first scum we found was one of the players who refused to answer the questionnaire.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:22 pm
by Luna Fox
Yeah karnos might be town. 139 looks like newbtown attitude to me.
One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that? I'm not sure how good Thor is or isnt as scum, but i don't think an experienced player would make that kind of move, so im on the fence there.
I already explained my thoughts regarding the sheep, because i think it makes more sense if that's what actually happened.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:33 pm
by karnos
In post 142, Luna Fox wrote:
One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that?
Do I think it's possible Thor is scum? Absolutely.
Do I think he is obviously scum and nothing will ever convince me otherwise? Not yet. It's still really early in Day 1, nothing is really set in stone at this point.
Part of the game is voting your scum tell, seeing how they respond, seeing how the react at L-1, seeing how other players react, etc. If you try to tip-toe around the whole process and say things like "I'm not really sure X is scum" you don't put the same pressure on the player, and you get weaker reactions or none at all because the player knows he isn't actually in any serious danger of being lynched.
In this case, I feel fine with revealing my thoughts because there is already enough pressure on Thor from other players to get some good results and reactions.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:02 pm
by tojam2
In post 88, Transcend wrote:Hahahahaha i got flash wagoned while i was in my sleep :p I'll answer the questionnaire when i give a fuck / am on my computer.
Please don't swear, I doubt I'm the only teenager on this site.
In post 96, karnos wrote:
I think you are lying. Didn't you say town doesn't have a good reason to lie in this setup?
"don't see a reason to really lie as town this game as there is no power roles to lie about"
Yes, you did.
VOTE: Io
karnos, please don't use colours close to my modding colour, it will start to confuse me later. Try chocolate brown (A08000).
In post 119, Thor665 wrote:]
In post 86, tojam2 wrote:@Thor665: Please use VOTE: tags from now on or I won't count your vote.
Aw cradsticks - fine, I'll try my best.
I loathe the creation of that tag becoming a mod ruleset occasionally.
Is it the auto counter? Does it not pick up on Bold tags or something? Or do you just love the highlight?
It's just I spot [.v] tags more easily
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:03 pm
by Killthestory
Am I not allowed to swear?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:05 pm
by tojam2
VC Day 1 - 3
karnos L-3 - Io, Thor665, gigabyte
Thor665 L-3 - Killthestory, Transcend, Rosske
Io L-5 - karnos
(expired on 2016-07-29 16:30:00)
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:12 pm
by Killthestory
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:29 pm
by Transcend
oh shoot i'm sorry i will try my hardest not to swear but don't be surprised if i slip a few times.
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:07 am
by Thor665
I liked that post, I don't see the scum energy in it in any way at all - what are you guys seeing?
In post 139, karnos wrote:The problem I have with Thor is his logic is inconsistent. He thinks his read is so good he can trust you as town after only a couple posts. Okay, maybe his read is so good, but if you accept that he is so good at reading people, then shouldn't he pick his own scum to vote, based on his amazing reads? Instead he chooses to sheep you. It's like he is saying he is so good at reading people that he is 100% convinced you are town, but at the same time he isn't confident enough in his reads to independently vote on his biggest scum read. It's a weird inconsistency to me.
This logic doesn't make any sense.
Let's presume for a moment that you are absolutely correct and this is *exactly* how I see myself.
What presumes that I have a scum read at that stage of the game?
Because that's all that doesn't need to happen for this case to fall apart. Maybe I got my magical super accurate town read and haven't yet got a scum read - and, presto, my vote makes perfect sense even within the strange world of Mystic Thor the Wonderous Seer.
Do you have a rejoinder?