Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[HeWhoSwims]

VC1.3

Mathdino (1) (L-6):

Nauci

Nauci (4) (L-3):

brassherald, Thor665, jmo16mla, Judge Joseph Dredd

Espeonage (1) (L-6):

Beefster

brassherald (3) (L-4):

the worst, Mathdino, Wisdom

Judge Joseph Dredd (1) (L-6):

MariaR

Not voting (2) :

Espeonage, UglyDuck

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

[HeWhoSwims]

Sorry I'm going to be V/LA for a couple of days. Doc just confirmed I have the flu. I'll make attempts to catch up when the meds kick in though.

Get well soon. Can you give me a duration for your V/LA?

[Nauci]

Let's call it the weekend for now, unless this fever gets worse.

Stupid boyfriend disease vectors.

[brassherald]

Case on brass is just the badvote. Scumread is about equal to Duck.

My vote was RVS, I'm pretty behind in the game itself, because I was not really online last night, but I haven't made a serious vote yet.

UNVOTE:

Nauci's wagon's just too big for me to leave my RVS vote there still. I'll read more after I put on my glasses and drink some coffee then form a few reads, do no readlists and make a real vote. I just skimmed for what was related to me.

[Wisdom]

Is it not good to be involved in the set up? Don't think we want to discourage potential town from reading through and making solve attempts...

this reads like awkward scum

[Wisdom]

brass/uglyduck and one of {esp, beef}

thor and maria as wildcards

rest town

[brassherald]

@mod a baby keeps grabbing any screen when I try to read so, VLA for the weekend

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

UNVOTE:

@Dino: More theory talk here. What good is it for 2 goons to have daychat w/o recruiting the traitor?

[Thor665]

I don't really feel your Nauci case

, they present as subconsciously awkward more than subconsciously scummy based off opening posts. Brass feels somewhat more intentionally guarded tonally so better starting place imo.

Why do you think Nauci is more likely scum than brass here?

First question - considering the two bolded comments in your quote - what are you even asking me?

What is this "tonal guardedness" that you speak of? Can you give me an example of how Brass has done this, because that sounds like a fanciful way of saying 'gut'.

@Mathdino - why is it you're all googly town over Nauci's shove into your debate with MariaR. Literally both of you were being prickly and attacking each other and Nauci only attacked MariaR over it. That looks like a striaght up pocket attempt to me, and you look like you swallowed it hook and line. Whassup?

Still liking the Nuaci wagon quite a bit.

@MariaR - why is your vote out of play at the moment? Shouldn't you at least be dinging a null read to try to get a reaction from them? I don't like this laid back "meh" Maria very much.

Don't really have anyone towning it up as much as I'd normally like. I'm usually easy to sell - so people should start selling more.

[Thor665]

basically i have little faith that this wagon was gonna lead to a lynch and the potential for readable reactions from nauci (who i don't KNOW is town, i just have a SMurfy 1 post read on) and from others was greater by joining that wagon

Okay, sure, as long as you pull back from your town read to a "I still wanted to scumhunt them" read I'll agree your vote is fine, though that's different than your earlier stated thought.

that said i like the brass wagon now better anyway

You and I both know he is very capable of towning without derp pressure - so...?

why did you ask the worst about it and not me?

Because I know for a fact one of you likes to talk about how smart they are and needed less prodding to generate interesting conversation.
The other I wanted to make sure I could get a take on.

@Mathdino - I do talk just to hear myself speak, but I'd very much like you to address the second quote question about your Brass push.

[the worst]

I don't really feel your Nauci case

, they present as subconsciously awkward more than subconsciously scummy based off opening posts. Brass feels somewhat more intentionally guarded tonally so better starting place imo.

Why do you think Nauci is more likely scum than brass here?

First question - considering the two bolded comments in your quote - what are you even asking me?

What is this "tonal guardedness" that you speak of? Can you give me an example of how Brass has done this, because that sounds like a fanciful way of saying 'gut'.

different side of the same coin as a gut read, yeah.
it's not far off at all but I'm getting a kinda guarded/reserved feeling from him which is what's making me uncomfortable.

I'm asking you because I want to see how your mind is ticking.

[Mathdino]

Wisdom's take on the game is identical to mine.
Which honestly, the last time I played a real game with Wisdom, literally made him scum -_-
whatever we'll see if we're right

Re: Setup spec: I would choose daytalk without traitor because daytalk is literally what enables you to find the traitor. Having a traitor is also arguably GOOD for mafia because it ruins any associations coming from the goons if they play well.

Re: Nauci: I considered that she was pocketing me, definitely (I'm not a total idiot lol). Just beyond that, I'm also developing a profile on what I think Nauci's scumrange is, and I think she's gone out of it. Buddying can come from town, and I wouldn't have gotten in the fight with Maria if I thought I would lose socially/rhetorically.

Re: Brass push: I didn't see that question. I agree he's capable of that as town, but I don't know what he is or isn't capable of as scum. I have him as more likely scum.
And the alternative was Nauci at the time which was a townread even before the "blatant pocketing" lol.

[Nauci]

I didn't comment to attack her for attacking, so much as the abrasive tone used to do it. It's difficult to read the constant backhanded insults without forming a negative bias, but I'll try to of it's her meta.

Personally I'm was wary of Math possibly trying to buddy me, but I have no problems with reading his content without an emotional reaction.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Pre-emptive read: Thor is Town! (I don't want/need to explain and it's only a preliminary read)

[MariaR]

@MariaR - why is your vote out of play at the moment? Shouldn't you at least be dinging a null read to try to get a reaction from them? I don't like this laid back "meh" Maria very much.

Nope. I said the judge wagon was a reaction if I moved my vote right away I feel like said player could easily tell I was doing the same thing so I'm holding my vote and taking a backseat for now until I feel the need for my presence

[Espeonage]

Ok peeps. What's been happening?

[Mathdino]

people are still wagoning a V/LA obvtown nauci for some dumb shit

instead of scumlynching brass/uglyduck (i'd actually more prefer uglyduck right now) or policy lynching maria

[Espeonage]

VOTE: jmo
Policy

Oh buddy a scum claim in the first post. easy game.

Noice.

Vote: Mathdino

[Espeonage]

Btw, the correct town mentality is going oh dang I was gonna random vote there. Actually doing it even though you unvoted stright after is a psych trap you fell in to.

[Espeonage]

I've also skimmed a couple of games with some of you guys when casing other people, but I've only got solid memories of brass's play style. Espeonage is a dope username though.

Cheers bud

[Mathdino]

espeonage i know this is some dumb shit coming from me
but you gotta learn to take mafia less seriously to keep up with the current meta
that was a phonepost joke on my own tendency to policy lynch people
i actually really like jmo as a player
was always gonna unvote right after

[Espeonage]

I'll add in the tinfoil - Nauci not addressing my naked serious vote with even a brief interrogative strikes me as someone intentionally trying to play cool over trying to assess people's reasoning - which seems more likely to come from scum also. It's even a thinner tell than the core one, but adds to a general sense of value in the wagon to my eyes.

Yeah nah. You don't have enough vitriol day 1 to exert this kind of pressure off the one vote.

I didn't like your vote in the first place.

[Espeonage]

espeonage i know this is some dumb shit coming from me
but you gotta learn to take mafia less seriously to keep up with the current meta
that was a phonepost joke on my own tendency to policy lynch people
i actually really like jmo as a player
was always gonna unvote right after

Dude, this is how I read. Readas: don't do intentionally dumb shit if you are town.

[Espeonage]

Is it bad that I actually think Nauci is town

I'm only on this wagon for the dental benefits

confbias says this is WK
Otherwise this is good post.

[Espeonage]

If you're voting a slot you think is town - yeah, it's inherently and objectively bad unless you're scum.

You do not seriously believe this????