Resistance Game #3- 6p with Leadership

[BuJaber]

Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.

[Iconeum]

Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.

There's no material on which to change one's mind in that timespan, however. If this was a game of mafia, and over a period of time, reads can change believeably. This feels very forced and unnatural.

Leaning more on scum!pine then scum!buj right now.

Pine/the worst maybe as a team.

Need (a lot) more from brie and TGP.


I'm ready for mission result though.

[TheBrie]

I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.

-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is preferred to having 1 spy on mission.

-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS

-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.

Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.

I see how this shows that they wouldn't both be scum, but not why one has to be. It doesn't seem to follow logically here.

Or is it that Buj seems scum because of the comment about not wanting double scum (reasonable read I suppose), but it's also possible that Pine is scum and picked a scummy looking townie to throw us off the track of who failed the mission?
That still doesn't make complete sense however. Why would town!Pine pick a scummy looking player? Unless he thinks a mission being failed is a fair price for finding scum, he's got to think Buj is town.
You can argue from one player being scum to the other being town. You can even reason scum!Pine from Town!Buj. But you can't reason Scum!Buj from Town!pine.

[BuJaber]

Damn.. if Brie is scum I'd be thoroughly impressed.

[Iconeum]

@thebrie you are making my case WHY one HAS to be scum here. It doesn't make sense for a town!pine to pick a scummy!looking!town!buj, hence he is scum. You could argue strategy that you wanna find scum, but it doesn't work like that because the rest wouldn't know which one sabotaged.

On further thought, this means that Pine is Always scum over Buj here, by his pick alone. It ONLY makes senses coming from a sccum!pine. If true, it clears Bujaber. That gamesolving post by thebrie is town as fuck.

Mission 2 team: iconeum, thebrie, bujaber

Scumteam: Pine/the worst(TGP)

I know I'm not proved to you guys, so this is from my PoV.

[BuJaber]

Assuming mission 1 passes I'm fine with that team.

If mission 1 fails you can't pick me and pine so that IF mission 2 passes the player that didn't go on either mission is confirmed scum and if mission 2 fails that player is confirmed town.

[the worst]

ftr I don't think scum!Ico is this ballsy

[Pine]

Eh, maybe. Tw, you see me, right?

[the worst]

ya

[the worst]

but if you say the word "dichotomy" i'm gonna fkn

[Pine]

Trichotomy

You may need to count using your beak.

Also I would not use that kind of reference to manipulate you. It's not how I do.

[the worst]

I can count to three on one foot.
no need to start using my feathers yet.

actually kinda w/ you again this game which is...potentially concerning but hopefully just a good thing......

[Pine]

Nah. You're comparing last game to this game and worrying because it feels the same. What makes me good as scum is a low-impact meta difference T/S, this being the real deal.

I think we're on the same page, duckfriend.

[the worst]

don't worry about me, I'm harmless

he says

with his massive needle teeth and branch claws

[Pine]

And a nest in my upper nethers just for you fren. Remember, duckos use treeos for protection.

[the worst]

fair point. i guess i'm coming around to the idea u got my back..
>:

[Iconeum]

That's ok. We lost a potential town duck to the menacing dark tree. Still plenty of town left unpocketed

[Iconeum]

I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.

-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is preferred to having 1 spy on mission.

-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS

-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.

Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.

I see how this shows that they wouldn't both be scum, but not why one has to be. It doesn't seem to follow logically here.

Or is it that Buj seems scum because of the comment about not wanting double scum (reasonable read I suppose), but it's also possible that Pine is scum and picked a scummy looking townie to throw us off the track of who failed the mission?
That still doesn't make complete sense however. Why would town!Pine pick a scummy looking player? Unless he thinks a mission being failed is a fair price for finding scum, he's got to think Buj is town.
You can argue from one player being scum to the other being town. You can even reason scum!Pine from Town!Buj. But you can't reason Scum!Buj from Town!pine.

Everyone read this again, and make your conclusions.

--->Pine is teamleader. Pine is either town or scum.

----->Town Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? Nobody knows, and Pine didn't explain. This is just very unlikely.

--------->Scum Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? So he can potentially blame the 'obvscum' Bujaber for the mission fail.

Pine was even setting up the first mission fail in one of his earlier posts.
Really having trouble with everyone's ease of acceptance of this mission, though I don't blame anyone (it's mission 1 and information and stuff).

[the worst]

I'll talk more tomorrow

[TheGoldenParadox]

ok ok ok
i'm sorry i didn't forget about this game... a wave of stuff just happened in my life and I'm trying to unload it


so my opinion here is that we send pine/buj PRECISELY becayse I think they're both scum

a double fail wins us the game

a double pass gives us a point

and 1/1 we'd still be able to go 3/4 of the pool of other players
so
it's in our favor to have a 2 scum wagon
HEAL: Pine, BuJaber

[Iconeum]

Why do you think a scum!Pine would chose his scumpartner on the mission? It's too risky.

[brassherald]

The team of Pine and BuJaber will be sent on mission one with a vote of 5 for, 1 against.

[brassherald]

Mission 1 Passes

Resistance scores 1 point. I have not had the time this week to write any flavor text, so Mission 1 was flavorless and I'm recycling my previous flavor for Mission 2 below.

Operation Rancid Crab

Agents,

Good job sabotaging the weapons factory, I knew I could trust you with that mission. Today, you will be pursuing

Operation Rancid Crab

. An army is built on the soldiers, and the Imperial soldiers, like all others need to eat.

I need you to infiltrate a camp on the map located and poison their food and water supply. Hit them where it hurts. This is a three person mission, and all three of you need to work to the best of your ability to be successful. We hear rumors that there may be imperial spies. Stay alert, stay vigilant, but most of all, stay free.

-Silent Fox

the worst begins the day as leader. I will add the current leader to OP.

[BuJaber]

TW would you consider choosing a team you're not a part of?

[Pine]

Shit

I was really hoping BuJaber would sabotage

Guess all that signaling worked, eh Iconeum?

Town doesn't call THAT much attention to a gambit.