Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:18 am
by Iconeum
In post 125, BuJaber wrote:Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.
There's no material on which to change one's mind in that timespan, however. If this was a game of mafia, and over a period of time, reads can change believeably. This feels very forced and unnatural.
Leaning more on scum!pine then scum!buj right now.
Pine/the worst maybe as a team.
Need (a lot) more from brie and TGP.
I'm ready for mission result though.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:22 am
by TheBrie
In post 111, Iconeum wrote:
I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.
-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is preferred to having 1 spy on mission.
-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS
-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.
Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.
I see how this shows that they wouldn't both be scum, but not why one has to be. It doesn't seem to follow logically here.
Or is it that Buj seems scum because of the comment about not wanting double scum (reasonable read I suppose), but it's also possible that Pine is scum and picked a scummy looking townie to throw us off the track of who failed the mission?
That still doesn't make complete sense however. Why would town!Pine pick a scummy looking player? Unless he thinks a mission being failed is a fair price for finding scum, he's got to think Buj is town.
You can argue from one player being scum to the other being town. You can even reason scum!Pine from Town!Buj. But you can't reason Scum!Buj from Town!pine.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 am
by BuJaber
Damn.. if Brie is scum I'd be thoroughly impressed.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:35 am
by Iconeum
@thebrie you are making my case WHY one HAS to be scum here. It doesn't make sense for a town!pine to pick a scummy!looking!town!buj, hence he is scum. You could argue strategy that you wanna find scum, but it doesn't work like that because the rest wouldn't know which one sabotaged.
On further thought, this means that Pine is Always scum over Buj here, by his pick alone. It ONLY makes senses coming from a sccum!pine. If true, it clears Bujaber. That gamesolving post by thebrie is town as fuck.
Mission 2 team: iconeum, thebrie, bujaber
Scumteam: Pine/the worst(TGP)
I know I'm not proved to you guys, so this is from my PoV.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:49 am
by BuJaber
Assuming mission 1 passes I'm fine with that team.
If mission 1 fails you can't pick me and pine so that IF mission 2 passes the player that didn't go on either mission is confirmed scum and if mission 2 fails that player is confirmed town.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:56 am
by the worst
ftr I don't think scum!Ico is this ballsy
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:00 am
by Pine
Eh, maybe. Tw, you see me, right?
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:03 am
by the worst
ya
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:03 am
by the worst
but if you say the word "dichotomy" i'm gonna fkn
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:23 am
by Pine
Trichotomy
You may need to count using your beak.
Also I would not use that kind of reference to manipulate you. It's not how I do.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:27 am
by the worst
I can count to three on one foot.
no need to start using my feathers yet.
actually kinda w/ you again this game which is...potentially concerning but hopefully just a good thing......
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:32 am
by Pine
Nah. You're comparing last game to this game and worrying because it feels the same. What makes me good as scum is a low-impact meta difference T/S, this being the real deal.
I think we're on the same page, duckfriend.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:35 am
by the worst
don't worry about me, I'm harmless
he says
with his massive needle teeth and branch claws
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:36 am
by Pine
And a nest in my upper nethers just for you fren. Remember, duckos use treeos for protection.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am
by the worst
fair point. i guess i'm coming around to the idea u got my back..
>:
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:02 am
by Iconeum
That's ok. We lost a potential town duck to the menacing dark tree. Still plenty of town left unpocketed
In post 111, Iconeum wrote:
I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.
-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is preferred to having 1 spy on mission.
-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS
-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.
Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.
I see how this shows that they wouldn't both be scum, but not why one has to be. It doesn't seem to follow logically here.
Or is it that Buj seems scum because of the comment about not wanting double scum (reasonable read I suppose), but it's also possible that Pine is scum and picked a scummy looking townie to throw us off the track of who failed the mission?
That still doesn't make complete sense however. Why would town!Pine pick a scummy looking player? Unless he thinks a mission being failed is a fair price for finding scum, he's got to think Buj is town.
You can argue from one player being scum to the other being town. You can even reason scum!Pine from Town!Buj. But you can't reason Scum!Buj from Town!pine.
Everyone read this again, and make your conclusions.
--->Pine is teamleader. Pine is either town or scum.
----->Town Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? Nobody knows, and Pine didn't explain. This is just very unlikely.
--------->Scum Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? So he can potentially blame the 'obvscum' Bujaber for the mission fail.
Pine was even setting up the first mission fail in one of his earlier posts.
Really having trouble with everyone's ease of acceptance of this mission, though I don't blame anyone (it's mission 1 and information and stuff).
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:33 am
by the worst
I'll talk more tomorrow
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:13 am
by TheGoldenParadox
ok ok ok
i'm sorry i didn't forget about this game... a wave of stuff just happened in my life and I'm trying to unload it
so my opinion here is that we send pine/buj PRECISELY becayse I think they're both scum
a double fail wins us the game
a double pass gives us a point
and 1/1 we'd still be able to go 3/4 of the pool of other players
so
it's in our favor to have a 2 scum wagon HEAL: Pine, BuJaber
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:19 am
by Iconeum
Why do you think a scum!Pine would chose his scumpartner on the mission? It's too risky.
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:35 pm
by brassherald
The team of Pine and BuJaber will be sent on mission one with a vote of 5 for, 1 against.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:38 am
by brassherald
Mission 1 Passes
Resistance scores 1 point. I have not had the time this week to write any flavor text, so Mission 1 was flavorless and I'm recycling my previous flavor for Mission 2 below.
the worst begins the day as leader. I will add the current leader to OP.
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:04 am
by BuJaber
TW would you consider choosing a team you're not a part of?
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 am
by Pine
Shit
I was really hoping BuJaber would sabotage
Guess all that signaling worked, eh Iconeum?
Town doesn't call THAT much attention to a gambit.
