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Chikade lets say they could coordinate and they did

what do you think about the claimed votes so far?

If you think scum did some sort of plan for whom they voted, you need to figure out the "why" and the "how", and so you can use this info to figure out who's scum and who isn't, as is, this seems like an exercise in futility because anything could have happened, even worse than NKA in terms of figuring out what went on with scum's vote. Not going to stop you, just giving my opinion, if you think you can find scum by it then all the more power to you.

Because at current, i see you asking for info, because information helps the town, but i dont see you figuring out anything out of said information, and ill reserve my judgement for when you do (or dont).

In post 48, Toranaga wrote:(katsuki, bbmolla and chickadee)

no // tentative yeah // yeah

In post 75, 123456789 wrote:So Toronaga town, Human scum

yeah // maybe, but need more data

In post 87, BBmolla wrote:I voted Katsuki and firmly believe he should have been leader.

jesus christ...

In post 120, Human Sequencer wrote:sando is towny

yeah

In post 49, brassherald wrote:I think the better practice would be to claim who you voted for, the reason and your favorite superhero.

Like me, I like Green Lantern, specifically, the one played by Ryan Reynolds. That movie is like Citizen Kane, but better.

This post is low key alarming on a reread.

VOTE: zMuffinMan

why you don't elaborate your reads/points

In post 129, Frozen Angel wrote:reads/points

dont feel like it atm // if i made any points, it was an accident and i apologise

In post 130, zMuffinMan wrote:

In post 129, Frozen Angel wrote:reads/points

dont feel like it atm // if i made any points, it was an accident and i apologise

ok let me ask more direct questions

why do you think katsuki reaction in voting you were not pure?
why do you think bbmolla reaction was tentatively pure?
Please talk about your read on Toronaga and Human.
What is that Jesus Christ meaning?
why do you think sando is towny?

In post 118, Frozen Angel wrote:I can tell you that I'm like 95% sure that I had 2 more votes from the remaining playlist and that they would vote me regardless of alignment.

I can even see myself have upto 4 votes between the remaining playerlist.

Looking at this and the votes that are already claimed, it feels like that the scums were uncoordinated pregame or if they were coordinated they were not coordinated enough to bypass the votes on me (or they thought it's unnecessary)

one other theory is that they did pile up on me because they saw sign up thread and felt like I might have some votes so they just halped it happen to put me in spotlight but that feels kind of suboptimal. and they must be lieing about their votes if that's the case. or the people who would vote me regardless of alignment can be those scums.

In every game I’m in, I always go with Occams Razor. The simplest explanation always makes the most sense. I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for scum to lie about their votes. Why make things harder for themselves? I think we can WIFOM ourselves to oblivion about if scum are lying about their votes or not. What we ought to be doing instead, is what any good villa does: focusing on the behind the vote. Did a player make their vote with town’s best interests in mind or not?

In post 126, Sakura Hana wrote:If you think scum did some sort of plan for whom they voted, you need to figure out the "why" and the "how", and so you can use this info to figure out who's scum and who isn't, as is, this seems like an exercise in futility because anything could have happened, even worse than NKA in terms of figuring out what went on with scum's vote. Not going to stop you, just giving my opinion, if you think you can find scum by it then all the more power to you.

Because at current, i see you asking for info, because information helps the town, but i dont see you figuring out anything out of said information, and ill reserve my judgement for when you do (or dont).

Is this directed at me?

Because
Why = manipulating the leader is good for scum
How = by doing this new-fangled thing called "talking", in this case "typing", I'll give you that

I haven't figured anything out and I've specifically said that for now it's fairly useless information that in the future may be of use.

maybe drixx is scum

I really want to think that I'm actually a good town and that the votes on me were not for petty or because of my special condition only

but yeah the reasons for votes are important. People with fresh meta on others can analyse that better though.

I can say that the two claimed votes on me were "made with town’s best interests in mind" and that I'm not freaked out by either.

Cool. Thank you FA.

I voted for FA, because she was the person in the list who I felt had the greatest combined chance of being selected by the rest of the playerlist, AND putting me on her team. ^^

If anyone would like to know the list of possible people I was considering voting for, I'll share. Otherwise, you get nothing from me!

@Drixx: Did you really consider it probable that I would be the likely selection of the players in this game...at least, without the deliberate support of scum?

@zmuffin: You really did make points. :-/

@sakura: Do you have any contributions to make other than shitting on sando/chickadee/whoever else talked about scum coordination's position? I see your gradual descent towards painting everyone who is speculating about scum actions as engaging in useless scummy fluffy mechanical talk instead of scumhunting, yet I don't actually see you doing anything any better yourself.

In post 120, Human Sequencer wrote:sando is towny

In post 107, Sakura Hana wrote:Dunno, but scum having day chat and not pregame chat seems rather silly to me.

this

In post 111, zMuffinMan wrote:well i just think after thousands of games that have been run with pre-game chat, brian decided "you know what? pregame chat sucks and i hate scum and i'm not gonna let them have it" and so he didn't

it just makes sense

and also this

Agreed. I’m also liking Sakura and Muffin makes a lot of sense.

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:@zmuffin: You really did make points. :-/

i already apologised. do you want me to prostrate myself and beg forgiveness or something?

i won't do it again. sorry

In post 133, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 118, Frozen Angel wrote:I can tell you that I'm like 95% sure that I had 2 more votes from the remaining playlist and that they would vote me regardless of alignment.

I can even see myself have upto 4 votes between the remaining playerlist.

Looking at this and the votes that are already claimed, it feels like that the scums were uncoordinated pregame or if they were coordinated they were not coordinated enough to bypass the votes on me (or they thought it's unnecessary)

one other theory is that they did pile up on me because they saw sign up thread and felt like I might have some votes so they just halped it happen to put me in spotlight but that feels kind of suboptimal. and they must be lieing about their votes if that's the case. or the people who would vote me regardless of alignment can be those scums.

In every game I’m in, I always go with Occams Razor. The simplest explanation always makes the most sense. I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for scum to lie about their votes. Why make things harder for themselves? I think we can WIFOM ourselves to oblivion about if scum are lying about their votes or not. What we ought to be doing instead, is what any good villa does: focusing on the

mindset

behind the vote. Did a player make their vote with town’s best interests in mind or not?

Yep. Nancy is 100% correct here. Though I am concerned about scum lies, I don't actually find them particularly likely with regards to this at least, UNLESS they all piled on a teammate who *didn't* get it and who they don't have verifiable reason to vote for that's unrelated to this game in particular. The reasoning though, that's the thing. The thought process they used to make that decision, and whether that thought process is in line with town!them...that will be useful to at least some people here.

In post 139, zMuffinMan wrote:

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:@zmuffin: You really did make points. :-/

i already apologised. do you want me to prostrate myself and beg forgiveness or something?

i won't do it again. sorry

Naw, you should keep making points, but your points should be accompanied by reasons so *I* have a reason to give a damn about your perspective.

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:I voted for FA, because she was the person in the list who I felt had the greatest combined chance of being selected by the rest of the playerlist, AND putting me on her team. ^^

lol <3

I consider it XD

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:Do you have any contributions to make other than shitting on sando/chickadee/whoever else talked about scum coordination's position?

Nope

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:I see your gradual descent towards painting everyone who is speculating about scum actions as engaging in useless scummy fluffy mechanical talk instead of scumhunting

Painting?

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:yet I don't actually see you doing anything any better yourself.

Maybe you need better glasses then.

In post 143, Sakura Hana wrote:

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:Do you have any contributions to make other than shitting on sando/chickadee/whoever else talked about scum coordination's position?

Nope

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:I see your gradual descent towards painting everyone who is speculating about scum actions as engaging in useless scummy fluffy mechanical talk instead of scumhunting

Painting?

In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:yet I don't actually see you doing anything any better yourself.

Maybe you need better glasses then.

Painting, as in figuratively, as in using a broad brush, broad strokes, to just label them all as engaging in activity x.

The rest of your post is of no value, but thank you for responding to me at least.

Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

hmm, ive actually been more forward with stating reads than i initially planned to be in this game so i'm going to stay quiet for a while and observe proceedings and maybe ask questions here or there

Actually, maybe don't elaborate on that yet, but like...I do want elaboration on that by day 3, or if FA flips as scum.

In post 145, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

In post 148, Sakura Hana wrote:

In post 145, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.

That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.

That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.