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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:27 pm
eragon could be scum
i'm assuming you were trying to go for the second one, and to that i would say that my vote wasn't based on her not having the game solved or not having strong reads or anything by page 3, and i'm not sure where you got that impression from in my posts.
are you saying "what do you expect, to have the game solved by page 3" as a reality check of myself as in "you shouldn't be so confident in your scumread on page 3", or are you saying it in reference to my scumead on carcalilly, as in "come on, it's unreasonable to expectIn post 121, Eragon wrote:I have 2 thoughts on thisIn post 54, northsidegal wrote:that quote is what makes you say that? it's not exactly a controversial opinion or a deep analysis. in fact, carca is probably my only scumlean so far.In post 51, Performer wrote:yeah carca is likely town. Good to see we're town again!
VOTE: carca
1. I think this is towny because they hop right in with a scumread and trying to actually do things to solve the game without numbers
2. I dont like the read/vote itself, because I haven't really seen too much, and also, what do you expect, to have the game solved by start of page 3?? This seems really eager.
carcalilly
to have the game solved by page 3"? i'm assuming you were trying to go for the second one, and to that i would say that my vote wasn't based on her not having the game solved or not having strong reads or anything by page 3, and i'm not sure where you got that impression from in my posts.
yes, i'm town and i just said that quicklynching isn't a good idea. that doesn't mean it's a towny thing to do, going off of the definition of "towny" being something that'sbut didnt you just say that?In post 62, northsidegal wrote:i don't think quicklynching is a good idea but i don't think it's towny to say that
more likely
to come from town than scum. that's the critical distinction - there are plenty of things that people do as town that aren't towny because of just how easy they are to replicate as scum. i think that comment about quicklynching is one of them. see above reasoning for why i don't think it's hypocriticalsecond part: I agree with the reasoning behind what you said, but the way you said it was kinda hypocritical, because you said, "I agree, but I dont think its towny"
because someone was using it as a reason to townread someone who i scumread, and so i wanted to stop that from happening. seems relatively cut and dry to me, although that's obviously from my own perspective of actually putting forth the ideas - i can understand if i'm sometimes not as clear as i feel like i'm being.So, why bring up that its not towny if you agree with it?
perhaps you misunderstand. it's not as if there are parts of carcalilly's ISO that i"weaken my position"In post 100, northsidegal wrote:actually i'm not going to do it, it's really nothing substantial and would probably just weaken my position
i had slight reasons for voting you (carcalilly) initially but what i really think is more scum indicative is the way you've responded to what i've been asking. as i said, perhaps i'm falling victim to confirmation bias, but i feel as if your explanations for what you were previously saying lack a logical connection in a way that makes your previous thoughts more likely to have been fabricated.
>but dont you, as town, want to be thoughtful on the read? like, if your not reading because your worried it will change your read on him, thats not pro-town
haven't
read and am avoiding doing so for some obscure reason - i had read carca's posts and i got a vague scum impression from them initially for a multitude of reasons. my point is i feel like those initial reasons are less substantial than my current ones, and thus pointing them out (i.e. "making a lolcase") doesn't actually help me when it comes to putting forth a convincing case that carcalilly is scum.Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:31 pm
i started making an ordered readslist and then i realized that everyone was basically null except for eragon and carcalilly
maybe rc lean town
maybe rc lean town
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:31 pm
im conftown to myself, that changes the odds of every other player involved to me differently than it does for someone else
Why are you taking that post at face value when I was already voting for Dunn?In post 121, Eragon wrote:wolfy.
why the hell would you want to quick hammer this early?
claiming that you will just gives you the space to not get lynched tommorow if you do and Dunn flips town.
because RC knows nsg well enough to make that call and I trust RC's judgement for the most part when he's town. how is that possibly a bad thing?In post 121, Eragon wrote:????????????????????????
why would you just blatant follow someone saying someone else is locktown
????????????????????????
-yesIn post 121, Eragon wrote:your willing to lockdown NSg because RC says so?
then won't change until they flip scum?
what is this progression?
you dont think NSG is being active so far?
-possibly unless i get an independent read of nsg but if RC is town then NSG is very likely town
-what progression? are you just throwing buzzwords around?
-i mean i was kind of implying nsg has been active by saying that so
gut pings/reaction testing but your wall made my read strongerIn post 122, Eragon wrote:can you explain how thats scummy?In post 120, Skygazer wrote:100% scummy entrance
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:31 pm
by the way, i'm deciding right now that if i can do alright in this game then i'm officially not washed up anymore
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:32 pm
thoughts on carcalilly, sky?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:33 pm
damn okay
how do I babysit you to make that happen NSG
how do I babysit you to make that happen NSG
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:33 pm
In post 126, northsidegal wrote:eragon could be scum
are you saying "what do you expect, to have the game solved by page 3" as a reality check of myself as in "you shouldn't be so confident in your scumread on page 3", or are you saying it in reference to my scumead on carcalilly, as in "come on, it's unreasonable to expectIn post 121, Eragon wrote:I have 2 thoughts on thisIn post 54, northsidegal wrote:that quote is what makes you say that? it's not exactly a controversial opinion or a deep analysis. in fact, carca is probably my only scumlean so far.In post 51, Performer wrote:yeah carca is likely town. Good to see we're town again!
VOTE: carca
1. I think this is towny because they hop right in with a scumread and trying to actually do things to solve the game without numbers
2. I dont like the read/vote itself, because I haven't really seen too much, and also, what do you expect, to have the game solved by start of page 3?? This seems really eager.carcalillyto have the game solved by page 3"?
i'm assuming you were trying to go for the second one, and to that i would say that my vote wasn't based on her not having the game solved or not having strong reads or anything by page 3, and i'm not sure where you got that impression from in my posts.
neither, in fact. I was saying that because it seemed like you were saying "Carca is probably my only scumread so far," like, did you expect to have more? It's overall NAI I was just commentingyes, i'm town and i just said that quicklynching isn't a good idea. that doesn't mean it's a towny thing to do, going off of the definition of "towny" being something that'sbut didnt you just say that?In post 62, northsidegal wrote:i don't think quicklynching is a good idea but i don't think it's towny to say that
more likelyto come from town than scum. that's the critical distinction - there are plenty of things that people do as town that aren't towny because of just how easy they are to replicate as scum. i think that comment about quicklynching is one of them.
so your using confirmation bias on why you think carca is scummy for saying that but you aren't? ok then...
see above reasoning for why i don't think it's hypocriticalsecond part: I agree with the reasoning behind what you said, but the way you said it was kinda hypocritical, because you said, "I agree, but I dont think its towny"
kay
because someone was using it as a reason to townread someone who i scumread, and so i wanted to stop that from happening. seems relatively cut and dry to me, although that's obviously from my own perspective of actually putting forth the ideas - i can understand if i'm sometimes not as clear as i feel like i'm being.So, why bring up that its not towny if you agree with it?
understandable
perhaps you misunderstand. it's not as if there are parts of carcalilly's ISO that i"weaken my position"In post 100, northsidegal wrote:actually i'm not going to do it, it's really nothing substantial and would probably just weaken my position
i had slight reasons for voting you (carcalilly) initially but what i really think is more scum indicative is the way you've responded to what i've been asking. as i said, perhaps i'm falling victim to confirmation bias, but i feel as if your explanations for what you were previously saying lack a logical connection in a way that makes your previous thoughts more likely to have been fabricated.
>but dont you, as town, want to be thoughtful on the read? like, if your not reading because your worried it will change your read on him, thats not pro-townhaven'tread and am avoiding doing so for some obscure reason - i had read carca's posts and i got a vague scum impression from them initially for a multitude of reasons. my point is i feel like those initial reasons are less substantial than my current ones, and thus pointing them out (i.e. "making a lolcase") doesn't actually help me when it comes to putting forth a convincing case that carcalilly is scum.
ok, yea, I misunderstood what you were saying.
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:34 pm
1) if you're scum, bus your buddy with me and then bus yourself (with me on the wagon)
2) if you're town, catch all the scum with me
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:36 pm
@nsg
a lot of his posts feel awkward in a way i havent figured out so i might dig into some meta
In post 44, Carcalilly wrote:WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ON PAGE 2
these pinged me tbhIn post 46, Carcalilly wrote:there is no benefit of quicklynching
none
so hold down your horses and schad please stop being scummy so I can Unvote you
rc why don't you agree with me
a lot of his posts feel awkward in a way i havent figured out so i might dig into some meta
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:38 pm
did i say somewhere that i think carcalilly isIn post 132, Eragon wrote:so your using confirmation bias on why you think carca is scummy for saying that but you aren't? ok then...
explicitly scummy
for making the comment regarding quicklynching? as far as i remember i only recall saying that i don't think it makes her town. that may seem like splitting hairs, but i think it's a relatively important distinction to make.although that being said, i would say that a kind of obvious / LAMIST comment like that might be scum indicative, but i would never put it forth as one of my main arguments for someone being scum. even still i don't think that's hypocritical or "using confirmation bias", because despite me
agreeing with the sentiment
, it wouldn't be something that i would make a post or a whole big deal about - at least, i'd imagine.me as well - that's kind of the point i'm trying to make here, i guess. not sure how well i'm articulating it, honestly.In post 134, Skygazer wrote:@nsgIn post 44, Carcalilly wrote:WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ON PAGE 2these pinged me tbhIn post 46, Carcalilly wrote:there is no benefit of quicklynching
none
so hold down your horses and schad please stop being scummy so I can Unvote you
rc why don't you agree with me
a lot of his posts feel awkward in a way i havent figured out so i might dig into some meta
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:40 pm
anyways, i think i'll probably take a step back from the thread for a while to let everyone else trickle in
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:40 pm
In post 128, Skygazer wrote:im conftown to myself, that changes the odds of every other player involved to me differently than it does for someone else
kayWhy are you taking that post at face value when I was already voting for Dunn?In post 121, Eragon wrote:wolfy.
why the hell would you want to quick hammer this early?
claiming that you will just gives you the space to not get lynched tommorow if you do and Dunn flips town.
I totally saw your vote and didnt just pass over it and ignore it. totally. definitely. you should believe me for sure.
because RC knows nsg well enough to make that call and I trust RC's judgement for the most part when he's town. how is that possibly a bad thing?In post 121, Eragon wrote:????????????????????????
why would you just blatant follow someone saying someone else is locktown
????????????????????????
because you should at least try to make your own reads, especially early game when thoughts of alignments are easily subject to change
-yesIn post 121, Eragon wrote:your willing to lockdown NSg because RC says so?
then won't change until they flip scum?
what is this progression?
you dont think NSG is being active so far?
-possibly unless i get an independent read of nsg but if RC is town then NSG is very likely town
-what progression? are you just throwing buzzwords around?
-i mean i was kind of implying nsg has been active by saying that so
-
-why dont you try and make a read of NSG then?
-your progression of "Oh, Rc might be town so because they say NSG is town NSG is town too" I dont see any towny influence of sheeping someone that from your point of view has a fair chance at flipping mafia, 25% from your point of view, if you are town. so your willing to bet a 75% possible town read thats correct on another 75% chance Read? just going off numbers here, but its more helpful if you actually put effort into the game and try to solve
-thats not how it came off as
gut pings/reaction testing but your wall made my read strongerIn post 122, Eragon wrote:can you explain how thats scummy?In post 120, Skygazer wrote:100% scummy entrance
how does a entrance comment saying "wow this game is fast, gonna go catch up" ping you as scummy?
and can you explain why my wall is scummy?
and can you explain why my wall is scummy?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:41 pm
i'm kinda townreading our eragon
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:42 pm
ok.In post 135, northsidegal wrote:did i say somewhere that i think carcalilly isIn post 132, Eragon wrote:so your using confirmation bias on why you think carca is scummy for saying that but you aren't? ok then...explicitly scummyfor making the comment regarding quicklynching? as far as i remember i only recall saying that i don't think it makes her town. that may seem like splitting hairs, but i think it's a relatively important distinction to make.
although that being said, i would say that a kind of obvious / LAMIST comment like that might be scum indicative, but i would never put it forth as one of my main arguments for someone being scum. even still i don't think that's hypocritical or "using confirmation bias", because despite meagreeing with the sentiment, it wouldn't be something that i would make a post or a whole big deal about - at least, i'd imagine.
me as well - that's kind of the point i'm trying to make here, i guess. not sure how well i'm articulating it, honestly.In post 134, Skygazer wrote:@nsgIn post 44, Carcalilly wrote:WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ON PAGE 2these pinged me tbhIn post 46, Carcalilly wrote:there is no benefit of quicklynching
none
so hold down your horses and schad please stop being scummy so I can Unvote you
rc why don't you agree with me
a lot of his posts feel awkward in a way i havent figured out so i might dig into some meta
I really should learn to look more at whats actually said than the implied meaning I guess
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:50 pm
with eragon as town all the probabilities are pretty close
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:59 pm
NSG can I ask why you're leantown on me
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:59 pm
okay, lets say RC can read nsg with wild accuracy. wouldn't it be optimal to trust that read to inform my own read rather than rely on my likely less accurate thoughts?In post 137, Eragon wrote:because you should at least try to make your own reads, especially early game when thoughts of alignments are easily subject to change
-i mean i do have a read of NSG, it just happens to be heavily informed by RC's read (:In post 137, Eragon wrote:-why dont you try and make a read of NSG then?
-your progression of "Oh, Rc might be town so because they say NSG is town NSG is town too" I dont see any towny influence of sheeping someone that from your point of view has a fair chance at flipping mafia, 25% from your point of view, if you are town. so your willing to bet a 75% possible town read thats correct on another 75% chance Read? just going off numbers here, but its more helpful if you actually put effort into the game and try to solve
-thats not how it came off as
-RC has like a 13% chance from my point of view actually. besides, he's very likely to eat a nightkill and i have town pings from how he's been reading me
-well then you made a bad inference especially when you consider that i was townreading nsg
i mean gut ping implies its very weak just based on the specific wordingIn post 137, Eragon wrote:how does a entrance comment saying "wow this game is fast, gonna go catch up" ping you as scummy?
and can you explain why my wall is scummy?
your push on me was weird esp considering you didn't back it up with a vote but i just remembered not voting much is your thing
your three scum reads seemed kind of safe (schadd, me, dunn)
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:01 pm
actually maybe im not townreading eragon
why is everyone in this game so damn scummy
why is everyone in this game so damn scummy
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:01 pm
iirc town eragon was still verbose but less so than scum eragon
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:01 pm
this was a terrible townreadIn post 51, Performer wrote:You always sr me....In post 38, RadiantCowbells wrote:Am I the only one who thinks dunnformer r buddiesyeah carca is likely town. Good to see we're town again!In post 46, Carcalilly wrote:there is no benefit of quicklynching
none
so hold down your horses and schad please stop being scummy so I can Unvote you
rc why don't you agree with me
possible svs
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:03 pm
-shrug-In post 141, RadiantCowbells wrote:NSG can I ask why you're leantown on me
call it a difference in philosophy this game, i guess. or maybe it's just wishful thinking. i don't really have any real concrete answer to give you.
same thought occurred to me, although there's no need to get ahead of ourselves. just something to keep in mind, i suppose.
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:03 pm
i mean im hard scumreading performer and you're scumreading carca and I like vaguely agree enough to support it so
maybe this is just an easy game
maybe this is just an easy game
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:04 pm
difference in philosophy as relative to what game?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:04 pm
hard scumreading performer?
and yeah, maybe it is that easy. depends on how towny everyone else is, i guess.
and yeah, maybe it is that easy. depends on how towny everyone else is, i guess.