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Enter · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:21 pm

i'm starting to think i've already grossly overthought this and it's just MS/Saude

Aubrey · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 pm

Maybe, maybe not. only time will tell!

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:/ im kinda not enjoying the mentality though of Players vs. Paragons. What I thought was going to be a fun game mechanic has only turned into us against them type of deal. Kinda makes being a paragon far less fun.

Enter · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 pm

In post 126, Aubrey wrote:Maybe, maybe not. only time will tell!

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:/ im kinda not enjoying the mentality though of Players vs. Paragons. What I thought was going to be a fun game mechanic has only turned into us against them type of deal. Kinda makes being a paragon far less fun.

I agree it's really frustrating having to have any discussion on this at all

i really just wanna find out who's scum and who isn't

Jingle · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:03 am

In post 4, Jingle wrote:I'm gonna guess a 25 page D1, with a hammer in ~3 days.

Any guesses as to scumteam yet?

Well, I was wrong as fuck.

Jingle · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:07 am

Oh, and just to be perfectly clear, you guys have no activity requirements. You can do as little or as much as you want, as long as I have a guess ~48 hours after the hammer.

Enter · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:09 am

oh ok

Enter · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:09 am

In post 128, Jingle wrote:
In post 4, Jingle wrote:I'm gonna guess a 25 page D1, with a hammer in ~3 days.

Any guesses as to scumteam yet?
Well, I was wrong as fuck.

thought you were saying you were wrong on the scum team for a second there

i was a little confused

Aubrey · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:21 am

Jingle · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:48 am

In post 131, Enter wrote:thought you were saying you were wrong on the scum team for a second there

Yeah, I guessed you and Aubrey. Singleton and Jingle really snowed me.

Aubrey · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:55 am

I keep wanting to say it’s Saude and MS. Take it with a grain of salt.

Aubrey · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:04 am

.......hmm.

Enter · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:10 am

I mean it's possible it's MS and Saude. I'm still sold on Shoshin MS I think

Aubrey · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:18 am

what are your top possibilities. Don't feel like you need to go into great details.

Enter · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:23 am

MS/shoshin

If Shoshin flips MS this likelihood goes down a bit

Then Shoshin urap

Then MS Saude

I really want MS to flip and if everyone except Shoshin votes him it means 1. I'm smart and 2. Game solve is easy, we just win

Obviously RC could be scum with any of them but I'm not interested in patanoiaing myself into scum reading him. There's too many possibilities if I go down that route and I will just lose over thinking it.

Enter · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:25 am

I still think MS Saudade is more likely than Shoshin URAP.

I will admit I am afraid RC could be scum, but I'm not particularly interested in entertaining that thought. It will lead to my demise.

Aubrey · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:39 am

If he is he is. Congratulations to him. I feel like he's mostly played a town game though.

I will say however, the mentality swap from

"I'm only going to look for one scum, and fuck the paragons should we miss"

to

"I'm going to spoon feed the game and help the paragons"

did raise an eyebrow for me though. I'm going to say that it's probably more town indicative to do so than scum, because I figure scum would already be potentially attempting to lead the paragons down a bad path, or set the stage to where we wouldn't want to guess them. Something would have had to happen to shake scum-cowbell and his partner to feel like they would have to manipulate the paragons down a bad path because they were sitting pretty before. Also town is usually more likely to flip flop on mentalities than scum.

Aubrey · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:41 am

for whatever reason that I cannot explain well, shoshin is still likely town in my head. Can you briefly elaborate on the shoshin and MS stance? one or two lines or something.

Enter · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:49 am

I wonder if the fact that I was talking about my shoshin acupressure and how I talked about it in paragon thread before posting it in the main thread has him thinking he needs to manipulate us. He has made me raise an eyebrow a couple times. Ugh. I don't want to be wrong on him.

Aubrey wrote:for whatever reason that I cannot explain well, shoshin is still likely town in my head. Can you briefly elaborate on the shoshin and MS stance? one or two lines or something.

Yeah. Shoshone hasn't been particularly committed to any wagon or game sorting of any sort. She has a few questions she asks here and there but they read as rather fake. Her interaction with RC at the beginning of the day also looked rather fake to the point where I was screaming RC for it as well. In addition, Shoshin has pushed Saudade/MS as scum but didn't really push it - it was rather tentative when she put her vote on Saudade and she has yet to vote or push Michael Scott or even show willingness to.

Michael Scott also isn't showing a lot of willingness to game solve. He asks questions but refuses to reach conclusions and spends more time defending himself than his reads of which, I think, everyone is still scum in.

In addition to this, when I pushed Shoshin/RC as a possible scum team, Shoshin tried to defend herself by defending RC and the lack of likelihood that she would be scum with him. When I push her to push MS for a lynch, she dismissed me at first, and then the second time she noted that she could see why I would want MS to be lynched as a Paragon, even though I'm pretty sure I showed her why it only makes sense to flip MS as town.

When I pushed MS Shoshin Michael Scott tried to defend himself not his partner and Shoshin didn't really respond or try to defend at all

Enter · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:53 am

In post 140, Aubrey wrote:If he is he is. Congratulations to him. I feel like he's mostly played a town game though.

I will say however, the mentality swap from
"I'm only going to look for one scum, and fuck the paragons should we miss"
to
"I'm going to spoon feed the game and help the paragons"
did raise an eyebrow for me though. I'm going to say that it's probably more town indicative to do so than scum, because I figure scum would already be potentially attempting to lead the paragons down a bad path, or set the stage to where we wouldn't want to guess them. Something would have had to happen to shake scum-cowbell and his partner to feel like they would have to manipulate the paragons down a bad path because they were sitting pretty before. Also town is usually more likely to flip flop on mentalities than scum.

I really like your process on this but I'm scared if I go down that rabbit hole....

I think if we consider RC as scum the only viable partner is Shoshin just because the fake distancing at first makes sense to me, he seems to be legitimately trying to read MS/Saude/URAP evident on his read flips and he hasn't tried to change his read on her at all

In post 141, Aubrey wrote:for whatever reason that I cannot explain well, shoshin is still likely town in my head. Can you briefly elaborate on the shoshin and MS stance? one or two lines or something.

I'm sorry I got a little more wordy than I intended, I think I can go into more detail if you want. Regardless, it makes sense to recheck through everything once the flip happens just to ensure everything I've got down is correct

Enter · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:56 am

Now you've got me scared and I'm wondering if RC is really as aggressive and awkward as I expect him to be as town. And the answer is no.

Enter · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:57 am

In post 4, Jingle wrote:I'm gonna guess a 25 page D1, with a hammer in ~3 days.

Any guesses as to scumteam yet?

You're messing me up with this post, Jingle.

Aubrey · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:15 am

His answer to my question is satisfactory for me.

Aubrey · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:17 am

For the most part.

Aubrey · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:23 am

Yea, I'm back to being mostly fine with him. Now it's only his rep that is causing me to be more paranoid than normal, and I promised I wouldn't let that solely effect my read on him.

Jingle · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:48 am

In post 145, Enter wrote:
In post 4, Jingle wrote:I'm gonna guess a 25 page D1, with a hammer in ~3 days.

Any guesses as to scumteam yet?
You're messing me up with this post, Jingle.

I will say both that it wasn't based on alignments but the composition of the players AND that I wouldn't have made the post if I thought you would take it as a clue.