Team Mafia 2020 Normal Game: Scum PT

[Xtoxm]

i'm thinking someone could claim informed that scum have a {rolecop maybe}?

im against it, but what is
1) the logical justification for this
2) why would town reasonably be informed of this?

[Xtoxm]

also, fyi, ive seen a number of "red herring" mafia roles lately
so neighborizer doesnt necessarily imply a pt cop
just to keep in mind

[Xtoxm]

i dont know that rc is one tbh
id feel more comfortable in a non-rc player claiming pr to kill

[skitter30]

can you relay this over to mastina/pine and ask them what they think:

-> rc wants to be bop'd on any of 2 (mabye 3) townies - tw, plum, and provisionally ari
-> if any of them flip town i think he loses most credibility to push thru his chosen lynches
-> p much nobody cares that he's claimed investigative
-> i think if he stays alive tonight tw/rc will be a 1v1 tom
-> whenever rc flips town tw is set up to go next, is aware of this, and is picking fights with him anyways because he thinks rc is scum. like he believes that if rc flips town he never endgames
-> this entire rc/ari/tw thing is paralyzing the game/gamestate and making it diffuclt for like half half the game to play, yielding several possible 'scum lurker lynch' mislynches
-> both sides of tw/rc are heavily pocketed by me and both want me to take their side. i'm not cocky enough to think that i solely decide which way it'll go, but i'll have a lot of sway on both ends and as of right now i don't think i get super much fallout for making either decision tomorrow
-> like people are seriously starting to talk about lynching rc just to fix the gamestate, and me and several other people have said that if his chosen lynch flips town he will be pushed tomorrow and nobody has a problem with me stating this multiple times (and all of his chosen lynches are mislynches)

[skitter30]

i'm thinking someone could claim informed that scum have a {rolecop maybe}?

im against it, but what is
1) the logical justification for this
2) why would town reasonably be informed of this?

no idea but people don't tend to sr the people who claim this sort of thing, and i have no idea why this is a phenomenon

[skitter30]

also, fyi, ive seen a number of "red herring" mafia roles lately
so neighborizer doesnt necessarily imply a pt cop
just to keep in mind

fair enough

[Xtoxm]

he claimed it on d1 and under no pressure
he was planning to do it and found a moment to make it look like it was a pressure/emotion response
its some kind of gambit, gotta be

[skitter30]

i dont know that rc is one tbh
id feel more comfortable in a non-rc player claiming pr to kill

as of right now i think we could probably run up plum

[skitter30]

he claimed it on d1 and under no pressure
he was planning to do it and found a moment to make it look like it was a pressure/emotion response
its some kind of gambit, gotta be

i believe he is probably some sort of weak pr, but don't particularly believe the detective claim

i think if it were made up out of whole cloth as a gambit that he intended to employ, he would be relying on it more rn and using it more to get people to listen to what he wants

[Xtoxm]

can you relay this over to mastina/pine and ask them what they think:

-> rc wants to be bop'd on any of 2 (mabye 3) townies - tw, plum, and provisionally ari
-> if any of them flip town i think he loses most credibility to push thru his chosen lynches
-> p much nobody cares that he's claimed investigative
-> i think if he stays alive tonight tw/rc will be a 1v1 tom
-> whenever rc flips town tw is set up to go next, is aware of this, and is picking fights with him anyways because he thinks rc is scum. like he believes that if rc flips town he never endgames
-> this entire rc/ari/tw thing is paralyzing the game/gamestate and making it diffuclt for like half half the game to play, yielding several possible 'scum lurker lynch' mislynches
-> both sides of tw/rc are heavily pocketed by me and both want me to take their side. i'm not cocky enough to think that i solely decide which way it'll go, but i'll have a lot of sway on both ends and as of right now i don't think i get super much fallout for making either decision tomorrow
-> like people are seriously starting to talk about lynching rc just to fix the gamestate, and me and several other people have said that if his chosen lynch flips town he will be pushed tomorrow and nobody has a problem with me stating this multiple times (and all of his chosen lynches are mislynches)

i will relay it, but let me say: you are overestimating the amount of teamwork/discussion going on in our team. my teammates are all busy and pretty much just focusing on their own games.
i think we'll need to come to our own decision on this.

btw, am i allowed to quote into the team pt, or do i have to paraphrase in that direction as well?

[Xtoxm]

i dont feel like rc is actually lynchable?
a LOT of people are tr him and sheeping him
i think its more likely that he would lynch duck for us.
after that, maybe hes lynchable if we still wanna risk keeping him.

[skitter30]

i don't know if he is lynchable but he is definitely a chaotic force that i kinda want to utilize into mislynching people for us

and i kinda want to get an informed opinion on what to do here if i can

if they don't read it / don't answer no biggie

[skitter30]

i will relay it, but let me say: you are overestimating the amount of teamwork/discussion going on in our team. my teammates are all busy and pretty much just focusing on their own games.
i think we'll need to come to our own decision on this.

btw, am i allowed to quote into the team pt, or do i have to paraphrase in that direction as well?

idk
and fair enough

[Xtoxm]

i don't know if he is lynchable but he is definitely a chaotic force that i kinda want to utilize into mislynching people for us

this is my thinking too. chaos and his total crippling of the game state currently is good for us.
he'll turn on me sooner or later, i have the lowest endgame equity anyway so thats ok.

[skitter30]

ya

i just work best as scum when i understand the gamestate and can control it into desirable outcomes
like as scum i can usually predict how the next two-three dayphases will play out at the very least in broad terms, barring something drastic like a hard guilty

i can't like ~control~ rc but i think i can direct him for a little while longer into driving the thread into those very nice mislynches
like if plum goes down today, and tw tomorrow - he's going to be the bad guy. none of the fallout is going to end up on me (or if it does, it will be minimal)
and when he's gone, town's going to basically be starting from scratch

the reasons not to do this:
- he/nsg will become paranoid that they're tr'ing scum
i don't think (?) they'll end up on me in that universe. i'm very far out of my established scumrange and literally everyone is townreading me
even if they do i think i actually win most fights with him here in this gamestate (literally never a sentence i anticipated writing as scum before)
- they end up with a hard guilty
i'm not sure that town actually believes them in that scenario, esp. if he uses up his 'one day to direct the lynch' today
once he's gone then maybe
but even then i think an argument can be made taht he was bullshitting to get the outcome he wanted

[Xtoxm]

but even then i think an argument can be made taht he was bullshitting to get the outcome he wanted

you know i did wonder about this.
like, are they actually masons with an elaborate plan to avoid being nked?
it seems too extreme tho, since they have actually destroyed the game and no one is having fun

[skitter30]

who? rc and like tw?

i ... really don't think so

[Xtoxm]

yeah, thats the conclusion i came to.
its worth asking questions tho, even ones that sound absurd

[skitter30]

ya

i don't think he's masons here

i could see him being like ~tracker~ and claiming ~detective~ or something like that

[skitter30]

i could see the two of them being in a hood almost tbh

i don't think masons tho
i don't think this gamestate happens if they're masons

[Xtoxm]

i'm thinking someone could claim informed that scum have a {rolecop maybe}?

im against it, but what is
1) the logical justification for this
2) why would town reasonably be informed of this?

this was meant to say "not against"
but, rolecop seems a weird thing to be informed of.
usually informed serves a purpose, ie, informed of traitor in a 4-scum setup

[Xtoxm]

we could probably still rolefish elsewhere if you guys unvoted
idk
risky

[Xtoxm]

actually a bunch of people gave intent so maybe not

[skitter30]

Ya i dont think so at this point.

My energy for this has kinda evaporated upon seeing another 25 pages sprung up over night and i need the day to end soonish, i think

[Xtoxm]

My read rate soars when I'm mislynched but engaged.
1 scum in {rc}, 1-2 in {plum, flopz}

duck also coming in with an all town solve
today has not been towns day