This is your reaction after getting scum-read? No "why?" or any defense?
They explained why, and I don't think I did anything I particularly need to defend. It's more of a "I don't like the vibe of your post" read anyway so there's not much to argue about.
If you're confused by my "Much better" reaction, I made that initial post that Jackson called out because I was bored and hoping the game would transition past this sluggish beginning phase. And it seemed to be on its way to doing that as of Jackson's vote and allegation
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:14 am
by Phi Kappa Phi
I'm inclined to townread Jackson because of the speed of their reaction to what I said. While it's not something an experienced player couldn't do, I remember being a little taken aback by posting something and instantaneously seeing "I don't like this and I scumread you for it". I'd kind of expect for a scum player to have to pause for a second and consider whether or not to go into attack mode, so the quickness of their callout makes me think their emotional reaction to my post was genuine
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:22 am
by GeneralWu
You on the other hand have basically only been posting one liners, many of which are either bizarre or have nothing to do with solving the game. This is kind of suspicious.
In post 110, Phi Kappa Phi wrote:Not sure if it's shyness or something, but it weirds me out that a lot of people haven't even voted yet
It weirds me out that you had voted for somebody who hasn't even posted yet
In post 118, Maduisha wrote:Yeah, voting for people that haven't even showed up feels wrong. I don't really know who to vote for yet, but those asking for people to cast votes aren't giving me good vibes, and two of them have votes on the same person.
I agree with these
There's no point in forcing everyone to cast a vote, especially this early in the game.
Also it's especially not good to vote for people who probably haven't even looked at the thread yet
It's much better to wait till they actually post something before voting them
This feels like a contradiction. You are saying pushing for people to vote is a bad idea.
JV votes PKP and we get a very non-chalant response from PKP at being voted. This prompts you to scumread/at least question PKP's response.
So basically JVs vote has stimulated discussion and a potential scum read on PKP and yet you are saying pushing others to bote is bad?
Votes are good because they stimulate discussion and force players to take a stance, rather than sit on the fence, which favours scum, as scum can then just come up with a fake 'scum read' late in the day to lynch a townie.
Im on board the GW lynch train.
Jump aboard people, plenty of room on the wagon.
Choo choo
VOTE: GW
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:39 pm
by GeneralWu
In post 130, Phi Kappa Phi wrote:You think Jackson's response to my post about astrological compatibility is weirder than what I said ?
what i'm trying to say is jackson is accusing people and providing one liners as explanations, and he has a good number of fluff posts.
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:10 pm
by GeneralWu
This feels like a contradiction. You are saying pushing for people to vote is a bad idea.
JV votes PKP and we get a very non-chalant response from PKP at being voted. This prompts you to scumread/at least question PKP's response.
So basically JVs vote has stimulated discussion and a potential scum read on PKP and yet you are saying pushing others to bote is bad?
Votes are good because they stimulate discussion and force players to take a stance, rather than sit on the fence, which favours scum, as scum can then just come up with a fake 'scum read' late in the day to lynch a townie.
Im on board the GW lynch train.
Jump aboard people, plenty of room on the wagon.
Choo choo
I wasn't scumreading PKP; I just thought it was weird how he says "much better" when he got scumread.
Also voting isn't bad, but when there's not a lot of reasons to vote for someone, I don't think people should be pushed to vote. Also, voting for someone who hasn't showed up yet isn't a good idea. I especially don't think it's good to put that person at L-1 this early in the game.
In addition, people can still discuss and take a stance without casting a vote till later.
wtmoo why the "much better" when you're getting scumread
It may be a bias because I already scum-read this slot but this seems forced
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:27 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 129, GeneralWu wrote:You on the other hand have basically only been posting one liners, many of which are either bizarre or have nothing to do with solving the game. This is kind of suspicious.
You make this post, which seems out of the blue. You've stated your tiny bit of reasoning for scumreading phi in an earlier post, and now you repeat the fact that you scumread him, without adding anything to it. You also say that you scumread me, yet you only provide reasoning for your statement afterwards:
I understand suspecting PKP because of the random clidd vote and saying it's weird not to vote, but why GW?
Overly serious, pings me as someone who wants to act like they're trying to solve the game when they're not.
Eh not as strong a read as Kappa but it's what I see aorn
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:46 pm
by GeneralWu
Also, you provide your reasoning for scumreading me only
after
Maduisha asked you to do so.
Wouldn't it make more sense to attach your reasons for scumreading someone in the post where you said you said you were scumreading him?
In other words, if you say "I scumread player X", wouldn't it make more sense to put your reasoning in the same post, than to wait for people to ask you why and then post your reasons?
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:54 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 141, GeneralWu wrote:no, I don't think that post is scummy. I just thought it was weird how he would say "much better" when he was being scumread.
You can't say that your post isn't scummy, that's not how it works
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:55 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 143, GeneralWu wrote:Also, you provide your reasoning for scumreading me only
after
Maduisha asked you to do so.
Wouldn't it make more sense to attach your reasons for scumreading someone in the post where you said you said you were scumreading him?
In other words, if you say "I scumread player X", wouldn't it make more sense to put your reasoning in the same post, than to wait for people to ask you why and then post your reasons?
In post 141, GeneralWu wrote:no, I don't think that post is scummy. I just thought it was weird how he would say "much better" when he was being scumread.
You can't say that your post isn't scummy, that's not how it works
In post 141, GeneralWu wrote:no, I don't think that post is scummy. I just thought it was weird how he would say "much better" when he was being scumread.
You can't say that your post isn't scummy, that's not how it works
I was talking about the phi post
Ah gotcha
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:47 pm
by clidd
I unconsciously confirmed the game, and forgot that it existed. At least, until the prod notifies me. That said, I would like to share some initial reads and impressions I had from these first pages, with individual emphasis on each player:
ObviousScum
>
Lock-town
*BoP
Spoiler:
Micro 916
>
Town
In post 6, ObviousScum wrote:Hi I'll be your Town CPR Goon, who wants some of my sweet deadly loving tonight?
In post 384, ObviousScum wrote:Hello. Thankfully in this game I can claim my true role, which is
m a f i a g o o n
As I consult with my scumbuddy on who is the best mislynch, I think it is safe to say that no lynch is always a scummy wagon and therefore it has my full support.
I made a comparison with three other games, which he was
town
. I noticed that his pattern consists of a game start characterized by an expressive claim or announcement, marked by the use of wifom as a tool of persuasion to, at the same time that he is attracting attention, repelling suspicions due to the strong image of exalted self-confidence. Posts 18, 31, 46 show concern to help inexperienced players, being in coherence with the
SE
position established in post 8. Assimilation to past experiences in posts 45, 55, 56 and 85 demonstrate transparency in relation to the opinions formed, indicating progressive reasoning in order to develop the game forward, strengthened by the suggestion in post 97. In general, there is no bias in his lines, and his actions are motivated to progress in the team-game proactively. This is enough to consider him as
lock-town
, under the condition of
BoP
depending on how the first day and second day occur. If he is not killed within two days, however, I will regard his presence in the game as
suspicious
, unless there is a
PR
that has rescue (
Doctor
) helping him.
JacksonVirgo
>
Town Indicative
Spoiler:
Newbie 1963
>
Town
Glad to see my predecessor was extremely active.
Here comes a slap vote VOTE: Uncrowned
In post 8, bugspray wrote:RVs questions:
What's the best smash Bros game?
Which ice cream flavor is your favorite and what's so good about it?
Are you happy with the role you randomed?
What piece of old technology do you think should be brought back?
Buses or trains?
This is a typical scum thing but sure.
I've never played a Smash Bros game, I've been meaning to just didn't have the money before.
Cookies and cream, because I like cookies and I like ice-cream.|
I was hoping for a different one but this is aight (nice role-fishing tho)
Hmmm, not sure.
Trains because here using the Translink service we don't need to talk to people (bus driver) which is always a plus.
Newbie 1976
>
Scum
Howdy, posting just to have this in my posts. It's 10:30pm and I want sleep.
game, in an attempt to establish a meta favorable to their read as town. However, later, it was also applied in bad faith in both
1974
and
1976
games (
scums
), mischaracterizing the expression's link with their alignment, and making it a null standard. While reading both scum games, especially
1974
(which has more content), I noticed that their behavior is much more centered and neutral, with semi-premeditated lines and placements, as they maintain their posture and education. Something that is opposite to the extroverted and more incisive stance seen in the three games as
town
, where the "fear" is much less, with bolder premises and sporadically genuine acts. In this game, precisely in the posts post 68 and 79, I notice, respectively, a very premature consideration, without the development of a justification (guts), and a spontaneously early reaction, with no previous communication channel. Both examples seem to agree with their
town
pattern, as well as the suggestively emotional error (rush / lack of attention) in the transition between posts 112 and 113, and in the
SR
statement in post 119, which was done without structuring of a table of previous reads (something I noted in their
games from him, given the favorable statistical chance for the
green
line-up. Therefore, I drew a comparison with 5 games of his past games (
town
). His pattern is based on a structure of simple intuitive phrases and vague actions, with more than one interpretation. I noticed that he is usually lynched a lot in games as
town
, due to the lynch policy. The style is identical to what he is following in this game (as in any game, regardless of alignment). It is strongly probable that, if he is not eliminated by lynch, he will last until the end of the game, precisely because he is not an expressive vocal antagonist, therefore, he is not a threat to the
scum
side. Particularly, I am indifferent to his position now, considering the lack of accuracy in my read about players who share that kind of trait.
OldMapleNostalgia
>
Scum Indicative
Spoiler:
In post 10, OldMapleNostalgia wrote:First is the worst... Second is also the worst >:(
My brother is in Phi Kappa Phi... VOTE: Phi Kappa Phi
This is your reaction after getting scum-read? No "why?" or any defense?
No past content. His entry into the game was strange, I don't know exactly how to classify who he was referring to, or if it was a metaphor. The following post does not seem to be a genuine engagement, considering the neutrality in just citing the act, but not trying to imply any more. I believe that a more questioning posture would show the real disagreement with the reaction mentioned. More neutrality in post 74, hesitate to engage effectively.
In post 15, 72offsuit wrote:I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.
What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?
This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.
I've played like 12 games on mafiauniverse and artofproblemsolving.com and I have a 100% win rate as mafia :O
Hum. I appreciate the interaction, although I don't have an information base to judge the extent of what '' wifom '' represents to him. Even so, in a newbie scenario, many would avoid making a comment that reflects their real alignment. In a way, he felt comfortable saying that. Peaceful mindset = tranquility = green alignment? I'll check this out later.
In post 110, Phi Kappa Phi wrote:Not sure if it's shyness or something, but it weirds me out that a lot of people haven't even voted yet
It weirds me out that you had voted for somebody who hasn't even posted yet
In post 118, Maduisha wrote:Yeah, voting for people that haven't even showed up feels wrong. I don't really know who to vote for yet, but those asking for people to cast votes aren't giving me good vibes, and two of them have votes on the same person.
I agree with these
There's no point in forcing everyone to cast a vote, especially this early in the game.
Also it's especially not good to vote for people who probably haven't even looked at the thread yet
It's much better to wait till they actually post something before voting them
This comment moves away from the generic sphere of neutrality, considering the development that is applied here during the reasoning process.
This feels like a contradiction. You are saying pushing for people to vote is a bad idea.
JV votes PKP and we get a very non-chalant response from PKP at being voted. This prompts you to scumread/at least question PKP's response.
So basically JVs vote has stimulated discussion and a potential scum read on PKP and yet you are saying pushing others to bote is bad?
Votes are good because they stimulate discussion and force players to take a stance, rather than sit on the fence, which favours scum, as scum can then just come up with a fake 'scum read' late in the day to lynch a townie.
Im on board the GW lynch train.
Jump aboard people, plenty of room on the wagon.
Choo choo
I wasn't scumreading PKP; I just thought it was weird how he says "much better" when he got scumread.
Also voting isn't bad, but when there's not a lot of reasons to vote for someone, I don't think people should be pushed to vote. Also, voting for someone who hasn't showed up yet isn't a good idea. I especially don't think it's good to put that person at L-1 this early in the game.
In addition, people can still discuss and take a stance without casting a vote till later.
He reinforced the idea and maintained the initial instance. This shows persistence in his own opinion, so he unconsciously believes what he is saying. It is difficult for a newbie liar to emulate this.
In post 15, 72offsuit wrote:I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.
What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?
This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.
I've played a few games years ago and lurked here for a while before joining
My nerves get to me a little more when I play scum, so I'm with you there
This comment seemed superficial due to the lack of expression in the development of the memory. If, when he plays scum, in theory, refers to a different emotional charge, it would be expected a better development of that.
In post 110, Phi Kappa Phi wrote:Not sure if it's shyness or something, but it weirds me out that a lot of people haven't even voted yet
Naturally, people cast their votes when they want to press a point, or are convinced that an individual is scum. The way it was encouraged here discredits those who are still thinking about how to distribute the vote.
In post 128, Phi Kappa Phi wrote:I'm inclined to townread Jackson because of the speed of their reaction to what I said. While it's not something an experienced player couldn't do, I remember being a little taken aback by posting something and instantaneously seeing "I don't like this and I scumread you for it". I'd kind of expect for a scum player to have to pause for a second and consider whether or not to go into attack mode, so the quickness of their callout makes me think their emotional reaction to my post was genuine
It felt like an attempt to be buddy here. This would be better justified if he has a meta around the actions of the person he is quoting.
This is your reaction after getting scum-read? No "why?" or any defense?
They explained why, and I don't think I did anything I particularly need to defend. It's more of a "I don't like the vibe of your post" read anyway so there's not much to argue about.
If you're confused by my "Much better" reaction, I made that initial post that Jackson called out because I was bored and hoping the game would transition past this sluggish beginning phase. And it seemed to be on its way to doing that as of Jackson's vote and allegation
Ignoring possible SRs is not interesting if you are town. It would be different, of course, if he prioritized scumhunting and ignored who is seeing him as scum, but basically, he conformed to the accusation.
In post 11, 72offsuit wrote:VOTE: Maduisha (who shall be named Mad for short, going forward, barring strenuous objection)
Because Ma stands for Mafia.
And you thought that you could sneakily hide your alignment in your username...
A sheep in wolf's clothing if I ever saw one.
Hey, it's the name of a fruit where I come from. But I agree that people that name themselves after fruit are suspicious, can't blame you.
Also, I've been reading the posts about OS, and I fail to understand what's the importance of knowing that someone has an alt accounts... I'm sorry, I'm new to this.
No past content. It was not a good reaction to the vote, why would she apologize in the end ?
In post 93, Maduisha wrote:Ah, my only experience with mafia is forum mafia with friends many years ago... I only played three games and I don't really remember much. My group of friends liked not lynching during the first day, but I am aware that's not optimal and not what's done over here from what I've read. I haven't played enough to have a clear preference of alignment, but for now I think town is what I like best.
Also, tomatoes are tasty.
The use of "I think" in this context was strange. This "thinking" seems a lot about something she likes, but it didn't happen. The random comment at the end seems more to relieve tension than a joke.
In post 118, Maduisha wrote:Yeah, voting for people that haven't even showed up feels wrong. I don't really know who to vote for yet, but those asking for people to cast votes aren't giving me good vibes, and two of them have votes on the same person.
She only pointed this out after other people's concerns about the votes were expressed. It was not genuine.
72offsuit
>
Town Indicative
Spoiler:
Newbie 1977
>
Town
Hi all,
I've played a few mafia games online in short form on another website and enjoy playing social deduction board games, such as secret hitler, the resistance, bang! , but oddly never werewolf.
Vote: Yodavader
- anyoneone with vader in their name must be evil.
In post 11, 72offsuit wrote:VOTE: Maduisha (who shall be named Mad for short, going forward, barring strenuous objection)
Because Ma stands for Mafia.
And you thought that you could sneakily hide your alignment in your username...
A sheep in wolf's clothing if I ever saw one.
The pattern is basically the same, but something seems strange. Interestingly, the first game has a
centralized vote
, the second is at
the end
and the third, which is in our game, the vote is at the
beginning
of the post. I am not sure how to interpret this message, considering that it is only observed if the three games are compared. Unfortunately, I don't have a
scum
game of him to make the comparison, just the two
town
games. When analyzing these games tentatively, I noticed that the experience of this player is illusory to be measured if we consider only the date of entry in the forum. There is something else, which is characterized by the charisma with which he structures his sentences and shapes his line of reasoning. The questioning is typical and compatible with posts 15, 19, 92 and 95 (as examples). However, his lack of past scum content, ignites a temporary '' alert '' for his next actions. I don't intend to put
BoP
on him, but I believe that he, eventually, should also be killed within 2 or 3 days. If that doesn't happen (and if I'm still in the game), the same suspect condition that I suggested in the case of
O.S
, will apply to him.
In post 15, 72offsuit wrote:I see we have a few newly-registered players in this game.
What is everyone's prior experience in playing mafia (forum mafia or otherwise)?
Do you prefer playing as town or scum?
This is my 3rd game of forum mafia. I have also previously played browser-based mafia (epicmafia) and enjoy hidden identity board games
I prefer to play as town. I enjoy solving/deducing who is who in the zoo. I find being mafia can be stressful.
Now, answering this: I have more experience with face-to-face games, without the aid of a virtual platform. Evidently, as it is difficult to have to physically move to the locations of the games, I conditioned myself to play on some sites, such as epicmafia and this one now. I have been through Mindnight (steam) too. Particularly, I prefer real games, where I can see the players' faces. It is easier to detect lies, bluffs, among other reactions (in addition to being significantly more dynamic). I appreciate both alignments, but I try more expressively as town considering that deductive work ends up being more challenging.
?
