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[Paragon]

*he truly does

[Paragon]

Allo is town homeboys

How come?

[Allomancer]

I think I like Allo the least so far. He comes a bit off to me, like he is walking a thin line between everything. He hasn't really tried to sort Para since he voted him and I feel he takes stances just to dismiss them quickly like change from mavs to Para or reading Dany/MT as TvT just to agree with bob's suspicion against MT (at least that's how it came across to me) like as if he doesn't really believe in them.

I never really had strong feelings on either mavs or Para. That's why I switched so quickly - neither of them are a strong scumread, but they're the only scumreads I have.
And I can see bob as being logical while not quite agreeing that it's a big deal. I think if I were scumreading MT it might give me more pause, but in the broader sense I see MT as towny so it seems more likely it's just a misunderstanding and not a scumslip.

[Allomancer]

I think I like Allo the least so far. He comes a bit off to me, like he is walking a thin line between everything. He hasn't really tried to sort Para since he voted him and I feel he takes stances just to dismiss them quickly like change from mavs to Para or reading Dany/MT as TvT just to agree with bob's suspicion against MT (at least that's how it came across to me) like as if he doesn't really believe in them.

I never really had strong feelings on either mavs or Para. That's why I switched so quickly - neither of them are a strong scumread, but they're the only scumreads I have.
And I can see bob as being logical while not quite agreeing that it's a big deal. I think if I were scumreading MT it might give me more pause, but in the broader sense I see MT as towny so it seems more likely it's just a misunderstanding and not a scumslip.

[Allomancer]

79 might help you understand my read on bob vs MT more

[Allomancer]

Essentially, it's something scum would do, but that doesn't mean it's not something town would do

[geraintm]

Essentially, it's something scum would do, but that doesn't mean it's not something town would do

or maybe something that scum does to make themselves look like a townie looking like scum...

how deep does it go?
#paranoiaincreasing!

[Paragon]

Its all about what a players first reactions are. And these are different if a player is town or scum. Now town can respond a little obliviously but scum actively checks all meaning s and how there words come across.

Hang on, Bob. You're of the opinion she's too concious about the meaning of her posts but also think this would be a more towny response:

So you saying you cant answer the question.

When its easy to answer for any town. Correct answer is

"i am town and thus cant be partnered with anyone"

So it is certainly answerable. But instead your trying to make reachy case out of it

Isn't how you'd expect her to answer as town a far more controlled and conscious response?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.4

Spoiler:

bob3141 (3) - mavsfan41, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet
Allomancer (3) - TheTrollie, Skellen, Paragon
Morning Tweet (2) - iDanyboy, bob3141
Espressojet (2) - BBmolla, Espressojet
Paragon (1) - Allomancer
mavsfan41 (1) - geraintm

Not voting (1) - Vigneshwar

(expired on 2020-04-06 10:34:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't love Para's vote hopping at all. But it feels like hyper/neurotic town more than scum maybe?

I kinda love it, there's nothing reasonably solid enough to go off of that warrants keeping a vote stuck on one person.

I liked his push on you and I agreed with it at the time. He found something interesting to pursue and went with it.

I think you’re more townie than not from your reactions, but I disagree with the townread on Paragon. I’m not really seeing the towny response in 39

I like that you mentioned you agreed with it at the time, makes me inclined to feel like you have a coherent town thought process which is a little tricky to do as scum. Also townreading me is the easiest way to my heart damnit

bob vs MT is so... bob.

I think I understand the reasoning behind the wagon, I am just not sure I feel it. Him nitpicking on a certain detail in an awkward manner is nothing out of the ordinary for him. So are you guys assuming bob is scum struggling to get into this game with his push on MT? Why does he go this route?

Also @MT:
Why the hesitation to vote bob and only then when the wagon gains movement initiated by others?

I'm not familiar with bob's play, but I don't quite like it much. So from what I'm told, he's capable of these kinds of pushes as town, but even if so, there's certainly nothing townie I've found about him yet. I also think his entrance posts in 22, 41, and 42 were kinda awkward, hence why I scum leaned him in 55.

I waited because I still wanted to vote Dany at the time, but my read on Dany is kind of waning.

Don't like gerain's entrance, Cat is good, don't like the Bob wagon.

I agree with the first two takes, altho the first is just a little nitpick

[Cat Scratch Fever]

See here he says you might both be scum but he never says your trying to buss para.

I think it’s heavily implied given the context

Its all about what a players first reactions are. And these are different if a player is town or scum. Now town can respond a little obliviously but scum actively checks all meaning s and how there words come across.

his reactions was everso defensive and leaves very much scummy taste to his posts.

I don’t get the impression that MT was defensive or too self conscious

See he doesnt come from angle thinking that the guy was stupid for scum reading him but that his reason for suspecting him is wrong.

His posts have very much a feeling of your rigth but your wrong to them.

I mean this is kinda silly. Not many people are going to think someone is stupid for having a wrong scumread on page 3, right?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

See here he says you might both be scum but he never says your trying to buss para.

I think it’s heavily implied given the context

Its all about what a players first reactions are. And these are different if a player is town or scum. Now town can respond a little obliviously but scum actively checks all meaning s and how there words come across.

his reactions was everso defensive and leaves very much scummy taste to his posts.

See he doesnt come from angle thinking that the guy was stupid for scum reading him but that his reason for suspecting him is wrong. His posts have very much a feeling of your rigth but your wrong to them.

Not only that he is actively aware of associations being tied to him.

Let me put it this way-

When I read dany’s post, it was clear to me that Dany was accusing MT of bussing Paragon (or I guess distancing would be more accurate)

Does that make me scummy? Why is close reading scum indicative and not just ... someone reading the game closely

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think I understand the reasoning behind the wagon, I am just not sure I feel it. Him nitpicking on a certain detail in an awkward manner is nothing out of the ordinary for him. So are you guys assuming bob is scum struggling to get into this game with his push on MT? Why does he go this route?

It’s most just that he’s nitpicky, it’s that his push is fitting evidence to a theory and not re-evaluating when new info comes in

74 - bob says Dany never accused MT of bussing Paragon

76 - MT literally quotes a post from Dany where he thinks MT/Paragon are a team.

81 - bob: nah that’s just you being self conscious in a scummy way

[TheTrollie]

Allo is town homeboys

I agree he has some townie posts but i think all of his towntells are easily fabricated.

Just because they are easily fabricated doesn't necessarily mean they are. Since you are voting him I assume you think they are fabricated, so what makes you think so that scum!Allo is faking his towntells here?

Correct - since I am voting him my take is that they are fabricated. the town tells are too tryhard for my liking

On first glance I got a good impression on Para and Dany. I liked Para's "wall" even although I don't agree with most of it, but I think I get where he is coming from.

I think I like Allo the least so far. He comes a bit off to me, like he is walking a thin line between everything. He hasn't really tried to sort Para since he voted him and I feel he takes stances just to dismiss them quickly like change from mavs to Para or reading Dany/MT as TvT just to agree with bob's suspicion against MT (at least that's how it came across to me) like as if he doesn't really believe in them.

VOTE: Allomancer

I don't like this at all. Post 121 requires that Skellen has some level of resistance to my conclusion that Allo is scum. If she thinks Allo is scum then she also thinks the potential towntells are either not towntells or are fabricated. I don't see her posting 121 and then joining me in 122.

VOTE: Skellen

Don't like gerain's entrance, Cat is good, don't like the Bob wagon.

I placed a random vote, and said there was a ton of posts overnight, and I never like day 1 wagons either. they always suck

I like Bob's most recent post. Unfortunately, I think truly does believe what he's saying!

VOTE: Allomancer

I can't remember why I wanted to quote this. Maybe because I also didn't love Gerain's entrance, or maybe because I legit have no idea of what to make of Paragon. Can't remember

[TheTrollie]

oh - when in post mode I didn't realize I had quoted both of those individually. So yeah:

Post 123 - I didn't like Geraintin's entrance either.

Post 124 - I can't figure out what to make of Para. Like at all.

Also...

WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT A MILLER SLIP IS AND WHY IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS GAME? ty

[Morning Tweet]

I think we invented the term "miller slip" just in this game.

Basically what you need to know about Para is that he's probably town, I think. I find myself liking his votes and reads at least.

[bob3141]

Its all about what a players first reactions are. And these are different if a player is town or scum. Now town can respond a little obliviously but scum actively checks all meaning s and how there words come across.

Hang on, Bob. You're of the opinion she's too concious about the meaning of her posts but also think this would be a more towny response:

So you saying you cant answer the question.

When its easy to answer for any town. Correct answer is

"i am town and thus cant be partnered with anyone"

So it is certainly answerable. But instead your trying to make reachy case out of it

Isn't how you'd expect her to answer as town a far more controlled and conscious response?

Paragon to be quite frank for you to come up with such a conclusion you would have had to not have bother to even read my post before actualy making that reply.

I said she is clearly coming across as self concous scum with me saying that her responses are not towny.


He gets questioned and instead of answering even if its to rebuke the points. He simply attacks the very question. He attacks on question accusing of beign loaded when it wasnt. just a repeat of my last question he tried to dodge. I point out its not loaded and he acts the question again. And you are even attacking this. There are great many ways he could answered that would have given tells on his alignment. yet he deliberately avoids it. Thats somethign scum do.

A towny would of answered it. Either they would have said some sort verbose sentance to which you quote a concise shortening. Being so oblivious to the potential to scum simply they simply could make one. Do you serously think a player needs to be eitehr controlled or concous to answer that they are town. Serously thats a reflexes reaction scum cant do. Scum reflexes by simply attacking the question and the person. A towny answers as they know they will come off as towny. While scum avoids it as they can scum tell. Much easier for scum as team to just try and dismiss it

[bob3141]

See here he says you might both be scum but he never says your trying to buss para.

I think it’s heavily implied given the context

Its all about what a players first reactions are. And these are different if a player is town or scum. Now town can respond a little obliviously but scum actively checks all meaning s and how there words come across.

his reactions was everso defensive and leaves very much scummy taste to his posts.

I don’t get the impression that MT was defensive or too self conscious

See he doesnt come from angle thinking that the guy was stupid for scum reading him but that his reason for suspecting him is wrong.

His posts have very much a feeling of your rigth but your wrong to them.

I mean this is kinda silly. Not many people are going to think someone is stupid for having a wrong scumread on page 3, right?

They might not say words like stupid but it always comes across.

Town look at push as it just being wrong.

But scum tend to look at push not in perspective that the player is wrong but that they dont have good enough reason to actual suspect them.

My scum hunting is mix of psychology, game state and game theory. From day one pushs i can either get a feelign that they are town or scum. So at the end of a series of question/push. I evaluate there reactions. And mt has not come off as town.

[Morning Tweet]

How is carefully answering "I cannot be partnered with anyone because I am not scum" more townie than pointing out that's it's a very loaded question???

[Morning Tweet]

Town look at push as it just being wrong.

But scum tend to look at push not in perspective that the player is wrong but that they dont have good enough reason to actual suspect them.

I don't even know how to interpret this, like, what's the difference? You're saying that scum subconsciously dismantles arguments by thinking "Ha, yes I'm scum but that isn't why I'm scum"? And I'm exhibiting that thought process, I guess?

[Allomancer]

How is carefully answering "I cannot be partnered with anyone because I am not scum" more townie than pointing out that's it's a very loaded question???

This is a good post.

[Morning Tweet]

from town impressions to not town impressions

Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer - lean town
iDany - ungngngng
BBmolla, Trollie - undecided
Skellen - lesser iffy
gerain, bob - more iffy

If i’m calling my shots right, the two lurkers (Expresso + Vig) are going to end up being both town. Just a theory of mine tho and obviously will be overrided once they actually start posting

[Morning Tweet]

I think bob has a point here

And I can see bob as being logical while not quite agreeing that it's a big deal.

I kind of thought this was weird justification, like "Has a point here" doesn't really come off as "I see that you're logical but I disagree that's its a big deal". I feel like this seemingly inconsistent thought process might be the reasoning behind Allo's wagon, so let me address what I think about it..

79 might help you understand my read on bob vs MT more

Now a townie would be more focused on othar things than being worried about makign teh slightest incorrect scum slip

That's not necessarily true, I'm always paranoid no matter what

As soon as bob voted me, Allo made it clear in the very next post that they weren't really on board with bob's thinking all along. This brought Allo back on the town side in my mind, it seems to me like there was a consistency after all.

[bob3141]

How is carefully answering "I cannot be partnered with anyone because I am not scum" more townie than pointing out that's it's a very loaded question???

Wasnt even a loaded question. You dodged the question by throwing a hissy fit over thequestion.

Every time you keep mentioning it you forget to mention the quote it was with

[bob3141]

Paragon has Xalxes avatar

Miss the old guard ((

he modded my first newbie game :c

Paragon, Allomancer - lean town
CatScratch, mav - undecided
iDany, bob - lean scum

paragon 39 felt like a town reaction to me + i like the way the miller crumb interaction played out

dany is forcing voting me a lil, i dont buy his reasoningggg but it could be town struggling to find something to say

I'm not forcing anything. You said you found someone scummy with out a vote, then said your comment is stronger than a vote, but now you town read him for the same interaction which you called fishy.

once i realized what he meant by what he said (that he was referring to a miller crumb), i don't find anything fishy about it now. i considered the possibility he made that explanation up, but im positive that's what he meant the whole way thru

if i were scum with para, why bother to make the comment if i dont even have the resolve to vote him?

So your saying your not scum with para?

That was the posts. Its question your very reply to iDanyboys posts.


In it when dany thinks you and para are scum. And it in you never even deny being partnered with para. All you say is why would i comment on x if i wasnt going to vote for him. And that answers nothing. As it easy for scum to say they would do the opposite



Where it should be clear im asking, ok so you say you wouldnt be partnered with para if you were scum but that doesnt realy answer anyones suspicions that your scum. And is rather scummy avoidance of that very issue.



You respond by simply whining that its loaded. When its nothing of the sort. Hell you could have even answered with yes. If three letters although not answering the very issue i was proding. isnt inherently bad how is it loaded.


You simply refused to answer. What scum pops tried to do. First she fought and she only answered it after i spelled every point i wanted answering. And then when i finally forced her to, it showed with out a doubt she was scum.



Town answers and then tends to answer the points that were not explicitlyspelled out as well under there own volition

Found nick as scum day oen in prior game with the same method.