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humaneatingmonkey - (1)

- Holdengolden

LuckyLuciano - (3)

- Yooh, InWho22, humaneatingmonkey

Aloratom - (1)

- Peaches

Inwho22 - (3)

- 3bounty, Kirari Momobami, LuckyLuciano,

Not Voting (1) -

Aloratom

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

Ah okay, I understand. Can you still respond regardless? I don't think I'm being as unreasonable as you imagine me to be.

What is it that you want me to respond to of yours that I haven't yet?

I'd ask you about your reaction to #104, or why it took you so long to vote InWho22, but let's change the subject if you're not interested in changing my mind:

Why do you townlean Kirari? What's your reaction to 3bounty saying that we're SvS? What do you want to hear from InWho22 moving forward?

In post 105, LuckyLuciano wrote:UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22

Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.

Is there a reason you waited to vote InWho until Humane pushed you?

In post 89, 3bounty wrote:

In post 83, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 36, 3bounty wrote:LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

Side question,

What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?

Seemed like distancing. There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.

After their recent 1v1 has your read changed?

In post 128, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'd ask you about your reaction to #104, or why it took you so long to vote InWho22, but let's change the subject if you're not interested in changing my mind:

Wagons are good, but so is letting them build naturally. If I try to start every wagon, or build the momentum on each one such that it is artificially easier for players to jump on, then the value of those wagons goes down.

In post 128, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why do you townlean Kirari?

Because I saw InWho's vote as FOS-worthy. I simply thought there was more value in seeing a 3-way tie broken than looking into why a 3-way tie was made. Kirari coming in and seeing that vote the same why I saw it feels town. Either we're both correct, or we're both wrong. I don't understand why the townlean needs explaining still?

In post 128, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your reaction to 3bounty saying that we're SvS?

Being wrong is null.

In post 128, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What do you want to hear from InWho22 moving forward?

Dunno, most of my headspace has been committed to addressing the players who want to hard tunnel me for trying to give us something to work with.

Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

Oh, double post. Sorry.

In post 129, Aloratom wrote:

In post 105, LuckyLuciano wrote:UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22

Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.

Is there a reason you waited to vote InWho until Humane pushed you?

I dunno man. My last post before that was around 3:40 in the afternoon the day prior, and my vote change was at 8am the following day. It definitely wasn't because I slept on it, and was 100% because I would rather appease a player making a weak push that will never actually lead to my lynch anyway.

Misinterpreting what I say and do this consistently (100% success rate so far), is starting to look a lot like bad faith.

In post 132, InWho22 wrote:Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

You said this was your first game, yeah? Do you have experience outside of mafiascum?

In post 136, LuckyLuciano wrote:

In post 132, InWho22 wrote:Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

You said this was your first game, yeah? Do you have experience outside of mafiascum?

None. (Unless you count drinking game werewolf, then I've played a single game).

What is your familiarity with RVS?

Also, do people talk about wagons in your live werewolf games? I don't remember that being the case the few times I played in person years ago.

In post 138, LuckyLuciano wrote:What is your familiarity with RVS?

I don't quite understand. My prior experiences with RVS are close to none, with the irl game just being people voting for their friends as memes in RVS. I do see how my initial vote could be interpreted as scummy, but I don't see any way to actually disprove this and rather want to do so in further discussion.

In post 139, LuckyLuciano wrote:Also, do people talk about wagons in your live werewolf games? I don't remember that being the case the few times I played in person years ago.

Not really. AFAIK live is primarily non-verbal tells and voting off that.

Where did you become familiar with the term 'wagon'?

In post 141, LuckyLuciano wrote:Where did you become familiar with the term 'wagon'?

I've read the wiki and a finished game. Is there a theme in your questions or are you suggesting that I'm deliberately lying about me experience with the game?

I'm just asking questions. I don't know why you assume I have a point that I am working at.

What game did you read?

Why did you want to even out the wagons?

In post 143, LuckyLuciano wrote:I'm just asking questions. I don't know why you assume I have a point that I am working at.
What game did you read?

Newbie 1812. I think HEM was in that one.

In post 144, LuckyLuciano wrote:Why did you want to even out the wagons?

I wanted to put pressure to get the game somewhat going, the "even out the wagon" thing was just a punchline.

Did you read it because HEM was in it, or was that a coincidence?

Do you think 3 even wagons at 2-votes each applies more pressure, or pushing one of the 2-vote wagons to 3-votes?

In post 146, LuckyLuciano wrote:Did you read it because HEM was in it, or was that a coincidence?

Coincidence, read it more than a week ago

Do you think 3 even wagons at 2-votes each applies more pressure, or pushing one of the 2-vote wagons to 3-votes?

Is this related to a specific scenario in this game, or? If so please remind me. But in general: a wagon with 3 votes on it for sure pressures that player more, whilst an even 2-2-2 lets the voted players feel more confident they can throw off the suspicion if they are scum.

In post 147, InWho22 wrote:

In post 146, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you think 3 even wagons at 2-votes each applies more pressure, or pushing one of the 2-vote wagons to 3-votes?

Is this related to a specific scenario in this game, or? If so please remind me. But in general: a wagon with 3 votes on it for sure pressures that player more, whilst an even 2-2-2 lets the voted players feel more confident they can throw off the suspicion if they are scum.

In 17 you evened out the wagons to 2-2-2, even stating that it was intentional, instead of pushing a wagon to 3 votes. Am I misreading?

In post 135, LuckyLuciano wrote:

In post 129, Aloratom wrote:

In post 105, LuckyLuciano wrote:UNVOTE: Monkey
VOTE: InWho22

Half a prod dodge because it's clear that this day is being driven by tunneling and I don't want to be a part of it. Half because 3 players have been given a free pass to do nothing because this day is being driven by tunneling. Cya guys again in another 24 hours, or day two.

Is there a reason you waited to vote InWho until Humane pushed you?

I dunno man. My last post before that was around 3:40 in the afternoon the day prior, and my vote change was at 8am the following day. It definitely wasn't because I slept on it, and was 100% because I would rather appease a player making a weak push that will never actually lead to my lynch anyway.

Misinterpreting what I say and do this consistently (100% success rate so far), is starting to look a lot like bad faith.

I don't generally look at timestamps unless I need to, and any misinterpretation is why I ask questions. We cleared up the first two, and I think we're clearing this one also. I didn't realize that a night had passed before your vote, only that Humane had asked you about it. But it doesn't look good that you changed your vote just to appease someone else.