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In post 118, Ninetales wrote:This feels extremely fake and try hard for page 5. If this is normal here, feel free to ignore me but I have never seen such detailed reads on page 5 and just a single glance at them makes me feel like they are forced.

Reads aren't a bad thing.

In post 124, Pickles wrote:Well if reads lists are normal around here then it feels like Ninetales wanted to shade me and devalue my read that they’re scum. Does anybody else feel like that’s what happened?
VOTE: Ninetales

That's a bit of a reach to me. It could be coming from being new to this site though. Also, why didn't you vote ninetales initially even though they are your top scumread? You voted after Ninetales' reaction to your read list.

In post 113, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: muh316

OMGUS I'm assuming. Care to add any more substance?

In post 125, muh316 wrote:

In post 124, Pickles wrote:Well if reads lists are normal around here then it feels like Ninetales wanted to shade me and devalue my read that they’re scum. Does anybody else feel like that’s what happened?
VOTE: Ninetales

That's a bit of a reach to me. It could be coming from being new to this site though. Also, why didn't you vote ninetales initially even though they are your top scumread? You voted after Ninetales' reaction to your read list.

My reasoning for the vote is there attached to it.
His reaction to my SR on him seemed to be shading me.
He called my reads fake, when I worked very hard on them.
The reads are my thought process while ISO diving each player.
What other reasoning does Nine have to call them fake?
The only reason I can see is to make other players feel that way too.
Which means he is shading me to seem like my reads aren’t real.
This feels very scum motivated.

In post 120, Pickles wrote:Alright well if you think my reads are fake then I’m not gonna play on this site.
Because why bother?

In post 122, Pickles wrote:And posting reads is something we do on ToS forums if we’re stuck.
Sorry for even bothering here.
It took me longer than it was worth if nobody appreciated it.

Why are you so defensive?

In post 123, Not_Mafia wrote:Readslists are a normal thing

I agree but ones that are this detailed this early in the game I haven't seen before and they do feel forced to some extent. Perhaps this killer level of effort is normal here since three people are posting huge blocks of text already.

In post 127, Pickles wrote:My reasoning for the vote is there attached to it.
His reaction to my SR on him seemed to be shading me.
He called my reads fake, when I worked very hard on them.
The reads are my thought process while ISO diving each player.
What other reasoning does Nine have to call them fake?
The only reason I can see is to make other players feel that way too.
Which means he is shading me to seem like my reads aren’t real.
This feels very scum motivated.

Pay attention to pronouns please.

I didn't shade you. The reason why I dislike your post is because the effort is through the roof and we are only on page 5.

Pao and Marci are posting huge blocks of text as well but from what I can tell they aren't really that reads related(they were arguments) whereas yours were completely reads.

I feel like that much effort in a reads list on page 5 is fake.

In post 129, Ninetales wrote:

In post 127, Pickles wrote:My reasoning for the vote is there attached to it.
Her reaction to my SR on her seemed to be shading me.
She called my reads fake, when I worked very hard on them.
The reads are my thought process while ISO diving each player.
What other reasoning does Nine have to call them fake?
The only reason I can see is to make other players feel that way too.
Which means she is shading me to seem like my reads aren’t real.
This feels very scum motivated.

Pay attention to pronouns please.

I didn't shade you. The reason why I dislike your post is because the effort is through the roof and we are only on page 5.

Pao and Marci are posting huge blocks of text as well but from what I can tell they aren't really that reads related(they were arguments) whereas yours were completely reads.

I feel like that much effort in a reads list on page 5 is fake.

Corrected in quote, apologies for mistake.

I’m upset because I feel like I wasted my time last night.
I didn’t know how else to read people besides making reads.
I’m this high effort wherever I play, I have no idea how it is here.
Would you like me to link you to my other forum?
There’s been AI content rather than fluff + spam.
Shouldn’t we all have decent reads on people by now?
And the fact that you think my reads are fake is definitely shade.
You also say the effort is through the roof, yet they’re fake.
From my experience, fake reads have very little evidence to back them up.
I provided my entire thought process during my reads.
Are you suggestions my thoughts process is faked?

In post 103, Ninetales wrote:

In post 91, catboi wrote:Townies appeal to emotion and get defeatist all the time. I find the statements from her far more likely to be defeatist newb-town than scum. You say you've played on MU but never seen a town player act defeatist?

I have but I find for newbies, scum do this more.

Not true in my experience whatsoever. It's certainly possible but the attitude she's showing is town a strong majority of the time.

In post 108, Chumbo wrote:I read your first post quoted here as you being skeptical. "I want to believe" translated to me as you will be looking more closely at her in the future. I didn't think you meant you meant that you're just going to accept post 12 as definite newbtown. I apparently misunderstood you.

You do make a good point about new players probably not using rolefishing right away though. I still think that newer players might be hyper-aware of how much they talk to their partner though and that that could result in either not talking at all or overtalking.
What do you think of Ninetails?

I don't have any particular thoughts on ninetales right now.

In post 124, Pickles wrote:Well if reads lists are normal around here then it feels like Ninetales wanted to shade me and devalue my read that they’re scum. Does anybody else feel like that’s what happened?
VOTE: Ninetales

In post 130, Pickles wrote:I’m this high effort wherever I play, I have no idea how it is here.
Would you like me to link you to my other forum?

I think when someone outs a read list and says they're doing ISOs on page 5, there's always going to be a question as to whether they're doing it performatively. I don't personally have a huge issue with your reads, scumreads feel a bit strained but it's still early. Do you often do early read lists in the games you play?

I don't feel like pickles reads are forced at all, I kinda like them guys.. but they seem to be getting pretty riled up.

I feel like some people like to play differently, or some people can pick apart jokes and such better then others, so for some people making reads this early wouldn't be hard.

not to defend them, i dont really know my thoughts on pickles yet after all. but the reads at least didn't seem fake to me.

I don't feel pickles readlist is forced.Idk if readlists on pg 5 are normal but it isn't scummy.It just looks like HIS readlist.Ninetales what looks forced to you?

In post 130, Pickles wrote:Corrected in quote, apologies for mistake.

I’m upset because I feel like I wasted my time last night.
I didn’t know how else to read people besides making reads.
I’m this high effort wherever I play, I have no idea how it is here.
Would you like me to link you to my other forum?
There’s been AI content rather than fluff + spam.
Shouldn’t we all have decent reads on people by now?
And the fact that you think my reads are fake is definitely shade.
You also say the effort is through the roof, yet they’re fake.
From my experience, fake reads have very little evidence to back them up.
I provided my entire thought process during my reads.
Are you suggestions my thoughts process is faked?

No problem.

Personally, not to be rude, I do think you've wasted your time but kudos for having the heart to effort like that at all.
I say they are fake because they are too early and too much effort.
Generally I never see reads like this on MU because of the short deadlines but relatively long reads come later in the game, definitely not day 1.
I'll try to be open about it but I definitely still dislike them a fair amount.

In post 133, LoneMarkhor wrote:I don't feel pickles readlist is forced.Idk if readlists on pg 5 are normal but it isn't scummy.It just looks like HIS readlist.Ninetales what looks forced to you?

I don't think they are normal and that's what I mean by forced but perhaps the word choice was bad. Performative is definitely a better word for this.

The reads list was the only way I knew how to condense my thoughts about each player.
I’m used to playing a more fast paced game style where I’m from.
Day one alone could have well over 20 pages of posts.
And days only last 72 hours on average (3 days IRL) with nights lasting 24 hours.
Whereas here on MS, it’s slow paced, Day one only has 6 pages so far and extremely long days.
Since people were posting serious content, I felt like diving every ISO.
And the fact that it’s easy to ISO read here was enjoyable to me.
Maybe I’m not made to play on this site and I should stick to where I’m from.
I’m town, so I hope you don’t kill me based on me trying too hard.
I wanted to make the best early reads that I could.
I explained my thought process and gave valid reasons for my reads.
I’m aware it’s early game so my reads are probably wrong.
But that doesn’t make them fake or forced.
Nobody asked me for reads, there’s no reason for them to be forced.
And the effort put in shows they’re not fake.
We should move on I guess, if nobody agreed with the reads, that’s okay.

In post 136, Pickles wrote:The reads list was the only way I knew how to condense my thoughts about each player.
I’m used to playing a more fast paced game style where I’m from.
Day one alone could have well over 20 pages of posts.
And days only last 72 hours on average (3 days IRL) with nights lasting 24 hours.
Whereas here on MS, it’s slow paced, Day one only has 6 pages so far and extremely long days.
Since people were posting serious content, I felt like diving every ISO.
And the fact that it’s easy to ISO read here was enjoyable to me.
Maybe I’m not made to play on this site and I should stick to where I’m from.
I’m town, so I hope you don’t kill me based on me trying too hard.
I wanted to make the best early reads that I could.
I explained my thought process and gave valid reasons for my reads.
I’m aware it’s early game so my reads are probably wrong.
But that doesn’t make them fake or forced.
Nobody asked me for reads, there’s no reason for them to be forced.
And the effort put in shows they’re not fake.
We should move on I guess, if nobody agreed with the reads, that’s okay.

My goodness, there's no need to get so worked up. It's a newbie game so people are going to not be used to each other and have unfamiliar styles, but it's going to be fine, just need to work things out. You're doing fine. It's just one person who doubts you, I just wanted to verify that this was something you usually do.

On thinking about it, I probably buy this as an instance of being extremely eager rather than trying to appear town by posting content early.

So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?

MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?

I'm having a hard time coming up with anything worthwhile to say, so I'm just going to say what's on my mind.
I think pickles reads post was good and a decent thing to do to try to add some content.
I don't think that marcistar is scum now that I've seen more from her and the contradiction was cleared up.
I still don't like the vibes from ninetails, but I need to look more closely at her slot.
Not_Mafia typically does this in every game I've looked at from him so I think it's going to be hard to find whether he's scum or town. I think eventually he will start to do a bit more hopefully.

In post 136, Pickles wrote:The reads list was the only way I knew how to condense my thoughts about each player.
I’m used to playing a more fast paced game style where I’m from.
Day one alone could have well over 20 pages of posts.
And days only last 72 hours on average (3 days IRL) with nights lasting 24 hours.
Whereas here on MS, it’s slow paced, Day one only has 6 pages so far and extremely long days.
Since people were posting serious content, I felt like diving every ISO.
And the fact that it’s easy to ISO read here was enjoyable to me.
Maybe I’m not made to play on this site and I should stick to where I’m from.
I’m town, so I hope you don’t kill me based on me trying too hard.
I wanted to make the best early reads that I could.
I explained my thought process and gave valid reasons for my reads.
I’m aware it’s early game so my reads are probably wrong.
But that doesn’t make them fake or forced.
Nobody asked me for reads, there’s no reason for them to be forced.
And the effort put in shows they’re not fake.
We should move on I guess, if nobody agreed with the reads, that’s okay.

I'm sorry you feel this way about what I said. I didn't mean it as an insult.

In post 138, LoneMarkhor wrote:So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?

MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?

I have a vote on Not_Mafia so I obviously am scumleaning. However, it seems like my vote hasn't done anything to produce results. I looked into Not_Mafia's meta and it all seems like one liners and the same overall theme that we're seeing in this game. I'm guessing we're not getting much of that slot even if we pressure them.

In post 138, LoneMarkhor wrote:MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?

In post 1, borkjerfkin wrote:Role distribution is guaranteed to be random, determined with the aid of random.org

If everybody thinks that we could sort out not_mafia later then I will rather not waste my time.Second person on my scumlist is chumbo because I think they are playing too cautiously trying to stay away from the heat.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: chumbo

In post 142, muh316 wrote:

In post 138, LoneMarkhor wrote:So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?

MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?

I have a vote on Not_Mafia so I obviously am scumleaning. However, it seems like my vote hasn't done anything to produce results. I looked into Not_Mafia's meta and it all seems like one liners and the same overall theme that we're seeing in this game. I'm guessing we're not getting much of that slot even if we pressure them.

I'm not expecting him to react to a vote. I don't think anything he's done is inherently scummy. It's frustrating, but to spin it in the absolute best possible light, sometimes you have to read around a player that doesn't say much. How other people react to him, and your reads on them are more important. Focus on reading other people first.

Yeah thought the same thing.

In post 145, LoneMarkhor wrote:If everybody thinks that we could sort out not_mafia later then I will rather not waste my time.Second person on my scumlist is chumbo because I think they are playing too cautiously trying to stay away from the heat.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: chumbo

In our previous game, I questioned anything that has a reasonable possibility of coming off as scum and often voted where I thought an elimination was likely. I knew who I had to eliminate so it was easier. I'm having a harder time finding stuff that I really do think is coming from scum. I'm a cautious person by nature, so I'm trying to come up with a PoE, but there's not enough content to do so yet. I have pretty much no town reads at the moment, all null.

I do have actually have a townread on pickles and paopao.

@catboi: you don't have any feelings about ninetails. You think marci is town and you may still think I'm scum even though I explained our misunderstanding. Do you have any reads on anyone other than me and marci?