Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[Save The Dragons]

uranus, do you have any guesses as to who might be town or scum?

[Uranus]

You thought a five page game claimed by Save The Dragons was unlikely. That's why I mentioned the game.

But as you are in a writing mood (or so it seems): What's your opinion on this game so far, Uranus?

eh, rn it feels like we are trying to get the best lead we can possibly can a bit too early. especially with a day 1 start instead of night, but it's prolly just me

As for who I think may be mafia, I'm not too sure but rn I think kenny and cow are fine while I'm a little bit suspicious of cat (probably bias reasons) but thats really it. Forum mafia is a little harder to track than discord lol

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 1-4

Save The Dragons

:

floo

: Radical Rat, kennyk

Entellian

:

kennyk

: floo, Salsabil Faria

Uranus

: catboi,

cowsloveSushirolls

:Entellian

Salsabil Faria

: Save The Dragons,

Radical Rat

:

catboi

: cowsloveSushirolls

Not Voting

(9): Uranus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 25th, 2021

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-23 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Salsabil Faria is on V/LA till 19th August 2021
-

[Uranus]

why I am listed as "not voting"

[Uranus]

Actually hold on does putting your vote in bold count as a vote?

[Save The Dragons]

you need to write "vote: X" in bold, or use the vote tag

Code: Select all

[v]X[/v]

[Uranus]

vote:catboi

[Radical Rat]

We do have material to work with now though. While it is true that we don't have any flips or PR results, we do have enough people making serious enough posts that you probably have some kind of feelings about things.

Daystart can be a bit odd if you're used to nightstart, so I totally get your hesitation, but don't be afraid to push on things that seem off, even if it's not super strong yet. Aside from catboi, has anything stood out to you?

[Uranus]

well I'm getting a medium townread on kenny, light townread on you and cow, currently unsure about STD or Salsa, the only negative reads I have rn are on catboi for what I said above and floo for the reasons kenny stated and him changing his playstyle wouldn't fit if he were a town. Entellion has done not a whole lot so I'm not sure on them.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

[kennyk]

@all other players: No, I didn't ask for a prodding because I miss my fellow mafia player. And no, this was no confession of being mafia. I would never confess that. Or maybe i would in some crazy setup or as part of a really crazy plan in some situations.

feels like an odd reaction. i didn't feel this way over you explciitly telling me not to put floo at E-2, despite you scumreading them. wouldn't that be more partnery, despite you voting them because you think they're mafia?

basically what i want to ask is: why are you so concerned about your self-image here and not when talking about floo?

I just told you not to E-2 him because of the reasons you were giving. If you totally agreed with mine or had other good reasons: fine with me. Jump on the wagon. But I don't like to see townies get on bandwagons (not talking about random votes) more or less for no real reason even if it is going with what I believe is good. I could be wrong with my thought process. So getting someone close to a kill with me being wrong and others having no real sus is not what I wanna see in a mafia game.

And with this thought process it really didn't come to my mind that me getting you not to vote on floo for the reasons given would look partnery. On the other hand I was internally debating if I even should ask for the prod or not because it would look like a link between Entellian and me. I even thought about PMing the prod request to our beloved mod to not getting unwanted attention in this matter.

Honestly I wrote the @all-part just to answer a few questions that I saw coming my way anyway after the first part of that post.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: kennyk

RIP my townread on you.
I'm glad cows pushed you on the @all thing, I ignored it thinking it was just a poorly executed joke. But if it was meant as a response to expected suspicion... That feels more like scum paranoia than town paranoia.

I believe this is E-2.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I just told you not to E-2 him because of the reasons you were giving. If you totally agreed with mine or had other good reasons: fine with me. Jump on the wagon. But I don't like to see townies get on bandwagons (not talking about random votes) more or less for no real reason even if it is going with what I believe is good. I could be wrong with my thought process. So getting someone close to a kill with me being wrong and others having no real sus is not what I wanna see in a mafia game.

And with this thought process it really didn't come to my mind that me getting you not to vote on floo for the reasons given would look partnery. On the other hand I was internally debating if I even should ask for the prod or not because it would look like a link between Entellian and me. I even thought about PMing the prod request to our beloved mod to not getting unwanted attention in this matter.

Honestly I wrote the @all-part just to answer a few questions that I saw coming my way anyway after the first part of that post.

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

[Uranus]

before I think further on the kenny situation, what does E-2 mean?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

before I think further on the kenny situation, what does E-2 mean?

two votes before eliminaton

[Radical Rat]

before I think further on the kenny situation, what does E-2 mean?

Elimination -2
If two more people vote for him, he gets eliminated.

Generally considered good form to announce E-2 and E-1, so that no one accidentally hammers early.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

before I think further on the kenny situation, what does E-2 mean?

two votes before eliminaton

elimination* sorry

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

to elaborate on this: i was hoping for an answer that was something along the lines of "your vote doesn't help town", and i got just that, along with a pretty reasonable train of thought behind it

[Uranus]

I see, thanks

As for kenny, I see why he might be suspicious, but I'd wait for him to give a further defense and we can base our final thoughts on that, we dont want to rush votes lol

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I see, thanks

As for kenny, I see why he might be suspicious, but I'd wait for him to give a further defense and we can base our final thoughts on that, we dont want to rush votes lol

this is a pretty low-activity game for some reason. i think that if you're able to poke around elsewhere and wait for multiple people at a time then it'd feel way less sluggish. i think votes will get rushed if the game progresses at this pace

[kennyk]

Yes, it was paranoia, that made me write what I did. And I even had a few things I didn't write because of said paranoia. So if you want further defence I will now lay down the left out thoughts.

From a general point of view there are (as I see it) four different setups regarding the connection between Entellian and me that matter concerning my prod demand (btw. the prodding didn't happen yet).:
1. We are both mafia.
2. We are both mason.
3. I am mafia, he is not.
4. I am town but not co-mason to him.

To 1.: I would definitely have PMed the mod about the prod. No one else seems to miss Entellian so why should I point it out in public and draw a connection between us. Yes this argument could be turned into the opposit: Because I knew I could always claim this, I did make it public to look town.
To 2.: This scenario is an even more PM one. Not only would a public prod post make the other townies sus of Entellian and me being scum. It might even get mafia to think, that we might be masons and therefor a viable nightkill.
To 3.: A setup in which public posting might be an option. It might look townish to be concerned about another potential towny not posting. On the other hand it can easily backfire.
To 4.: I definitely don't know what role Entellian has in this scenario. As in setup 3 it might look townish or scummy depending on what the others believe.

But having been accused of being too solvy made me dismiss the idea of writing this whole thing in my prod post. And please take into account that I only wrote a short version to each setup. the branches that are possible in most of them are going wide.

[Uranus]

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

Final thoughts: I think you might be trying to confuse town with setting up multiple options, keep in mind route b doesn't even have masons so 2 of these setups would be invalid. I also think you are in a situation to pre 2077 catboi with the walls of text attemptiing to protect yourself but that last one might be too far. My townread has definetley gone down on you kenny and is a more viable lynch than catboi imo

unvote: catboi

vote:kennyk

[kennyk]

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

I never said I PMed the mod because I didn't. And your argument is just the same as mine for scenario 1 and 2. If the mod prodded Entellian without my post nobody would know if he did it because he saw Entellian was missing or because somebody PMed him about it. That's why I would have done that if... (see my last post)

My thoughts on entellian are the same as yours. I saw him not posting in this game and wanted to get him active or exchanged.

And yes, I know that only two out of three game setups use masons as a potential town role. All in all masons have a 2 out of 9 chance. But I had that base covered and so I wrote about it. And just to answer unasked questions again: I know that mafia knows if the two mason-setups are possible because of their roles. But I am none of them.

[Uranus]

We can't really prove if you pm'd about the prod to the mod, more now that he hasn't gotten one. As for my thoughts on Entellian, I think he is probably just inactive, what would be worrying is that if he is ignoring this game altogether and posting elsewhere.

I never said I PMed the mod because I didn't. And your argument is just the same as mine for scenario 1 and 2. If the mod prodded Entellian without my post nobody would know if he did it because he saw Entellian was missing or because somebody PMed him about it. That's why I would have done that if... (see my last post)

My thoughts on entellian are the same as yours. I saw him not posting in this game and wanted to get him active or exchanged.

And yes, I know that only two out of three game setups use masons as a potential town role. All in all masons have a 2 out of 9 chance. But I had that base covered and so I wrote about it. And just to answer unasked questions again: I know that mafia knows if the two mason-setups are possible because of their roles. But I am none of them.

In that last one would you have wanted to cover all bases so that you dieing wouldn't confirm a specific setup?

[kennyk]

In that last one would you have wanted to cover all bases so that you dieing wouldn't confirm a specific setup?

I can asure you (although you won't belive me) that my death won't reveal anything about the setup as I am a vanilla townie.

[kennyk]

One last thing before I get hammered (as I am quite sure this will be reason enough for someone to vote me). In case of my untimely death I would like my fellow townies to not only look at those who voted me but also at those who didn't vote me. I know it sounds like revenge and therefor I didn't wriite it directly after it occured to me. But cowsloveSushirolls kind of started the final bandwagon on me without even voting me. Could be he really was satisfied with my answer or he just wanted to be able to say 'What do you want? I didn't vote an innocent.' afterwards.

And now I am waiting for the Queen song 'Hammer to fall'.