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[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

[Ythan]

Is that was RVS is supposed to do? Huh. Fair, then. I haven't noticed reactions to RVS-voting someone being important, but apparently, voting for myself can get a response too.

In theory, at least. Debatable how well it accomplishes that in practice. Does the response tell you anything?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83755
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82764

Skimming through our moderator's topics, I found his last two Normal games had a d1 Innocent Child. Though I'm sceptical on how much value we get from discussing this in depth right now.

Hmm, I doubt you would do that to get towncred as scum. Either you would wait with this info few days or keep it for yourself. IMO it is valuable. Yeah you are Town.

I can't see this as a real read. Elaborate? If it's been covered I'll get there in a second.

[Ythan]

72 and 73 are stuff to look at after I finish a general skim.

[geraintm]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

[Ythan]

Going to try and keep on top of claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at o e
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info

Why

[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

[Ythan]

2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong

or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)

11:2 with ic and no other power roles is quite balanced.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

Are you telling us the scum have no PRs? eyes

[Ythan]

72 and 73 are stuff to look at after I finish a general skim.

The first line of 76 is fine and 77 is better.

[geraintm]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd

[geraintm]

Going to try and keep on top of claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at o e
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info

Why

it happens to me more than non-zero times a game that later on i sit there and have to ask people what claims there have been in the game. so i've tried to do this a little in my recent games to keep on top of claims so i don't need to investigate through 80 pages late on.

[geraintm]

2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong

or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)

11:2 with ic and no other power roles is quite balanced.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

Are you telling us the scum have no PRs? eyes

no..i was just trying to point out to alicek that their logic has already broken down as kayzan has said they have a role of some sort.
though i hadn't considered that kayzan could have been scum

[Ythan]

anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?

Who's the "our mob"?

yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird roles

This line of questioning seems pointless.

i hope my later explanation of where i was coming from makes it more understanable why i was checking it out.

As of post 93 I have not seen anything that fits that description no.

As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd

Still seems like an entirely pointless line of questioning though.

[geraintm]

this has been pointed out many times by many people

[Ythan]

Yeah you're right.

Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.

VOTE: Geraintm

[Dwlee99]

Hey ythan

[Nathann]

It was a random vote, done same way I do every game.

It didn't seem random, considering it was made after some discussion and after you quoted post from Kyouko.

Then game isn't balanced.kayzan has already said they have a PR

No, they said they have a role, not necessarily a power one. Learn to read.

I hate a lot of what geraintm has posted so far. However, it feels almost too blunt to be coming from Scum. It could be refuge in audacity, but I somehow feel it's more likely geraintm here genuinely thinks he's helping the Town by discussion the Innocent Child and keeping track of claims and whatnot. This play coming from scum would have to be some major playing dumb. Anyone have experience with Scum!geraintm and whether he's capable of this?

That said, please do the note taking about roles in private. Calling out potential power role softs to the whole thread (including Scum) is a horrible way to play Town.

[Nathann]

VOTE: Ythan

I'm not sure I like Ythan's entrance into the game. Most of his posting so far focuses on geraintm, and it feels like he's purposefully trying to paint his posts in a scummy manner. 131 seems to be doing that, and I'm not sure I'd expect 136 from Town. The explanation for geraintm's fixation on the Innocent Child seems reasonable to me, and Ythan plainly dismissing it makes me think Ythan might be Scum attacking the Townie that's doing silly things.

I am also getting scumpings on one other person, though I'd like to see them post more before I say something.

[geraintm]

@nathan - i wouldnt put anything in here about me spotting anyone hinting about any roles, just full on claimed ones. i'm not that dim.

oh, the random vote was the way i always do it, i pick a number and vote that many posts after.

kayzan - you are picking holes then with the difference between "role" and "power role" - i consider any non Vanilla town role a Power role.

this is day 1 - i promise you you will hate nearly everything i post today.

[Nathann]

though I'm still kinda in the phase where I only know anything about Jolyne's role and my role.

They said they had a role. That doesn't imply it's a power role.

[Dwlee99]

I have a role too

[Dwlee99]

So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much

[geraintm]

claims

Kazan in post 92 hints at one
Jolylene in 89 hints at more info - posted later that there are only 2 scum and no daytalk day 1

dwlee99 - 144 - "i have a role"

[Kazyan]

I'm just gonna park my vote here: VOTE: AliceK

Readslist coming soon.

[Jolyne]

My info is:

There are only 2 mafia.

There is no daytalk1

That second bit is right there in the game rules, so...

I know for a fact no one has it.

[Kazyan]

Confirmed Town

:
Jolyne (duh)

Townread

:
ssbm_Kyouko (actual attempts to solve the game without trying to cover her butt. Town wants to be right; this is what Kyo is doing)

Townlean

:
Nixie (trying to guide the conversation somewhere useful instead of letting a not-very-talkative town waste their time)
Nathann (gut read--his actions aren't obviously town, but I get a vibe)
geraintm (I think this guy is just a goober, not flailing scum.)

Null

:
Ythan (Coming out with a scumread does seem Ythan!town-y. Could also be trying to Rush Posting as scum, since that's what we all learned from NQN)

"Pls post" Pile

:
Andresvmb
DGB
MargotRose

Scumlean

:
Alice (stilted, fake-seeming communication style)
GrandpaMo (gut read; don't take this too seriously because I'm garbage at scumhunting)

Scumread

:
Dwlee99 (There's a lot of gags and a few opinions in Dwlee's ISO, but zero solvy energy, despite apparently having a strong townread. Picking on Ythan feels opportunistic.)