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Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

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In post 115, Prism wrote:Not really. Aristeia's use is actually valid, point isn't that she gets confirmation point is that it can be used to inadvertantly catch someone hiding.

My first game onsite had two town ascetics, one town one mafia is fine and actually disincentivizes claiming it as mafia if they get beat to it.
The town ascetic is going to claim 100 percent of the time though, right?

Mailman is going to also out like 100 percent of the time.
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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

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I could see it pairing nicely with something like a 1-shot friendly neighbor maybe?
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Post Post #127 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

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Mailman is anything, but useless.
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Post Post #128 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

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In post 117, Enchant wrote:
In post 106, skitter30 wrote:I'm p sure mailman doesnt get caught by pt cop
But i think town ascetic could very plausibly be a thing

Also dwlee's reaction to my scumping makes me more sus of them
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Its a false positive for traffic analyst, but not for pt cop
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Post Post #129 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:59 am

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In post 120, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Novice mailman is a pretty strange role no doubt. Why is a mailman so good it needs to be nerfed?
yea that is why I claimed

I was thinking if I was a completely useless role I wouldn't be gated
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Post Post #130 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:00 pm

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Can we stop speculating on what other power roles exist in the game and restrict this to me/Aristeia? Just an idea.
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Post Post #131 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:01 pm

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In post 51, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Fireisred
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In post 54, Dwlee99 wrote:Initial townreads on prism (I will regret this), cephrir
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Post Post #132 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:01 pm

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Town mailman is a role that depends on the strength of its user. It isn't useless though even without further role mechanics. Consider, for instance, that you can send someone breads on the night you die.
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Post Post #133 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:01 pm

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In post 120, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Novice mailman is a pretty strange role no doubt. Why is a mailman so good it needs to be nerfed?
it seems to me like a lot of closed setups have at least one role that on some level is "the mods messing with players who try to setup spec"
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Post Post #134 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:02 pm

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In post 132, Dwlee99 wrote:Town mailman is a role that depends on the strength of its user. It isn't useless though even without further role mechanics. Consider, for instance, that you can send someone breads on the night you die.
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Post Post #135 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:02 pm

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Pre-Game Vig when?
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Post Post #136 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:02 pm

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I thought 54 was +town for Dwlee. Eagerly and visibly flagging yourself walking right back into the same pitfall is not the most obvious scumplay to see.
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Post Post #137 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:03 pm

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In post 133, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 120, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Novice mailman is a pretty strange role no doubt. Why is a mailman so good it needs to be nerfed?
it seems to me like a lot of closed setups have at least one role that on some level is "the mods messing with players who try to setup spec"
Possible. It seems like a mod trap either way really. If it's not an intentional wild goose chase or red herring, then it's punishing scum for standard play, right? I guess that's why I find myself searching for a third explanation.
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Post Post #138 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:04 pm

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I don't think it's standard play for scum to claim Ascetic immediately
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Post Post #139 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:04 pm

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In post 137, Shuichi Saihara wrote:then it's punishing scum for standard play
Or wait it's the opposite of this maybe? IDK.
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Post Post #140 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:05 pm

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if Prism is town, it would be punishing town in a 9P for a very logical thing to happen on Day 1
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Post Post #141 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:05 pm

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In post 125, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 115, Prism wrote:Not really. Aristeia's use is actually valid, point isn't that she gets confirmation point is that it can be used to inadvertantly catch someone hiding.

My first game onsite had two town ascetics, one town one mafia is fine and actually disincentivizes claiming it as mafia if they get beat to it.
The town ascetic is going to claim 100 percent of the time though, right?

Mailman is going to also out like 100 percent of the time.
Correct, and this could be a built-in "feature" or could be amplified by some degree of Informed. There might in fact not be a second ascetic at all.
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Post Post #142 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:05 pm

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Just in a case, Mod is uh returning player or something, so probably not aware about META.
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Post Post #143 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:06 pm

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In post 131, skitter30 wrote:
In post 51, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Fireisred
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In post 54, Dwlee99 wrote:Initial townreads on prism (I will regret this), cephrir
These pinged me ^
Can u explain more abt the prism/ceph reads at this time?
Fireisred isn't really solving and prism is like idk kinda townie and ceph seems like he doesn't hate his existence right now
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Post Post #144 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:06 pm

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In post 140, Aristeia wrote:if Prism is town, it would be punishing town in a 9P for a very logical thing to happen on Day 1
Yeah you're right
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Post Post #145 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:06 pm

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I don't think Aristeia is above headhunting me but I'm inclined to take the claim at face-value town for the moment.
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Post Post #146 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:10 pm

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In post 143, Dwlee99 wrote:Fireisred isn't really solving and prism is like idk kinda townie and ceph seems like he doesn't hate his existence right now
what in the first 52 posts of the game do you think was solvable
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Post Post #147 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:10 pm

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the only person I would head hunt in this PL is Dats
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Post Post #148 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:10 pm

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Post Post #149 (ISO) » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:11 pm

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In post 146, fireisredsir wrote:
In post 143, Dwlee99 wrote:Fireisred isn't really solving and prism is like idk kinda townie and ceph seems like he doesn't hate his existence right now
what in the first 52 posts of the game do you think was solvable
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