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In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

I kind of got a similar SvS vibe and I think it's because both you and marci essentially brought up the same point repeatedly and neither of you seemed willing to relent. As far as arguments go I think that's one of the easier ways to fake them.

I think Juice warrants looking into more if nothing else. I'm not confident at all xe is scum but I think the way xe seems slightly selective with what xe responds to, and xyr tone would benefit from further investigation, so consider my vote there a serious one now.

Kind of a token contribution to ensure I don't get caught by the prod timer, but RL willing I will probably be around again in a couple hours.

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

Ive played mafia to know what scum vs. scum chats can possible be - and on Day 1, I am willing to to take more risks. If you were both scum - I would not be shocked

In post 125, Aisa wrote:

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

I kind of got a similar SvS vibe and I think it's because both you and marci essentially brought up the same point repeatedly and neither of you seemed willing to relent. As far as arguments go I think that's one of the easier ways to fake them.

I think Juice warrants looking into more if nothing else. I'm not confident at all xe is scum but I think the way xe seems slightly selective with what xe responds to, and xyr tone would benefit from further investigation, so consider my vote there a serious one now.

Kind of a token contribution to ensure I don't get caught by the prod timer, but RL willing I will probably be around again in a couple hours.

I can't place it but you're pinging me.

In post 126, Juice wrote:

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

Ive played mafia to know what scum vs. scum chats can possible be - and on Day 1, I am willing to to take more risks. If you were both scum - I would not be shocked

So you've played enough Mafia to be able to recognize SvS play... but not enough to realize RVS wagons are a normal occurrence and not usually particularly dangerous?

In post 126, Juice wrote:

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

Ive played mafia to know what scum vs. scum chats can possible be - and on Day 1, I am willing to to take more risks. If you were both scum - I would not be shocked

I hate to sound like a broken record but this doesn't really answer the question? Specifically what part of our interaction made you think this

In post 128, Radical Rat wrote:

In post 126, Juice wrote:

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

Ive played mafia to know what scum vs. scum chats can possible be - and on Day 1, I am willing to to take more risks. If you were both scum - I would not be shocked

So you've played enough Mafia to be able to recognize SvS play... but not enough to realize RVS wagons are a normal occurrence and not usually particularly dangerous?

If you turn a wagon to L-2 during RVS - its stop being RVS. It worrying you don't think that

In post 125, Aisa wrote:I kind of got a similar SvS vibe and I think it's because both you and marci essentially brought up the same point repeatedly and neither of you seemed willing to relent. As far as arguments go I think that's one of the easier ways to fake them

I mean, I was asking a question and she repeatedly dodged it and started being hostile, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do in that situation.

In any case, I specifically asked Juice about this rather than, like Hikari or something because I wanted to hear it from xem and I'm a bit curious to why you would answer this question for xem when xe is your main suspect?

In post 130, Juice wrote:

In post 128, Radical Rat wrote:

In post 126, Juice wrote:

In post 122, Ausuka wrote:

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

I'd be interested to hear more about this - what about the interaction seems SvS?

I strongly disagree that what I was saying about marci isn't game related btw - although it is true a lot of the argument ended up being clutter because we kind of went around in circles, she was making a meta point and I think talking about the game she was referring to helps explain my perspective her read might have been TMI.

Ive played mafia to know what scum vs. scum chats can possible be - and on Day 1, I am willing to to take more risks. If you were both scum - I would not be shocked

So you've played enough Mafia to be able to recognize SvS play... but not enough to realize RVS wagons are a normal occurrence and not usually particularly dangerous?

If you turn a wagon to L-2 during RVS - its stop being RVS. It worrying you don't think that

It certainly can end RVS, and it did in this instance, but it doesn't always. I find there are frighteningly little "always"es in the game of Mafia, but that aside the issue isn't that I don't think it ends RVS, it's that you expressed fear that Mafia would waltz in and hammer you. That kind of reaction makes sense for someone new to the game, and that's why I bothered explaining it earlier. Technically they could, but it would basically be suicidal of them to attempt it, so it's usually safe.

If you're NOT new though, then suddenly that whole thing looks manufactured and insincere. You'd have known by now that D1 quickhammers like that don't normally happen except in very niche situations, and even if it WERE to happen, it'd actually be a good thing because we'd most likely have found the scumteam!

I never claimed I was new.

Okay, so while I would love to eliminate marcistar purely out of spite, I'm not especially sure she's scum here. I hope she is and I'll be disappointed if she's not, but I don't necessarily think her behaviour here is out of her townrange. I still think her townread of me at the start was strange, and her refusal to elaborate beyond saying the same thing in different words infuriates me, but the fact she seems to be at E 1 without really any reasoning from anyone else on the wagon concerns me a lot. None of Hiraki, Herta or Juice feel like they have a towny push on Marci.

I think Juice's hop on the wagon looks really bad. Whether that makes xem scum I am uncertain but I would definitely like them to elaborate on xeir vote at the very least.

UNVOTE:

In post 134, Ausuka wrote:Okay, so while I would love to eliminate marcistar purely out of spite, I'm not especially sure she's scum here. I hope she is and I'll be disappointed if she's not, but I don't necessarily think her behaviour here is out of her townrange. I still think her townread of me at the start was strange, and her refusal to elaborate beyond saying the same thing in different words infuriates me, but the fact she seems to be at E 1 without really any reasoning from anyone else on the wagon concerns me a lot. None of Hiraki, Herta or Juice feel like they have a towny push on Marci.

I think Juice's hop on the wagon looks really bad. Whether that makes xem scum I am uncertain but I would definitely like them to elaborate on xeir vote at the very least.

UNVOTE:

you want me to explain my vote? LOL. I gave the reason when I voted.

In post 116, Juice wrote:Yeah this whole exchange does seem scum vs. scum on surface level - but if its just one scum in the interaction I wold suspect its marcistar. The whole last few posts just feels very forced.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Marcistar

If I was the only person that thought it wasn't potential S vs. S - you might have a point. I also made it clear that if its only one scum its marci. And if you dont scumread them - then your interaction with them is even more sus.

They are asking what part of the posts make them feel forced

In post 136, MegAzumarill wrote:They are asking what part of the posts make them feel forced

Exactly. This is just the same thing as what Marci did so I guess I won't bother engaging further since most people got annoyed by me pressing that.

I think I want to vote for either Aisa or Herta but I am not sure which right now. Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play; she does not feel particularly genuine, there's the thing I pointed out, I feel that the juice push is really easy and her approach towards xem feels unnecessarily passive I guess? Like, it feels like she's holding back and trying to appear super reasonable. I will have to check her past games to see how alignment indicative this actually is.

Herta's vote on Marci is the worst and while I don't think his play is like *that* scummy I think the jump on her is ?probably? More likely to come from scum than Hiraki and Juice and if I'm looking for scum on the Marci wagon I would start there

I really don't see why people are trying to associative hero solve on day 1.

In post 138, Ausuka wrote:Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play;

ur wrong aisa seems towny

In post 140, marcistar wrote:

In post 138, Ausuka wrote:Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play;

ur wrong aisa seems towny

yeah she does from a certain point of view, I think her play is geared towards seeming towny and pleasant and kind of blending in a bit and that feels scummy to me.

Ausuka wrote:

In post 140, marcistar wrote:

In post 138, Ausuka wrote:Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play;

ur wrong aisa seems towny

yeah she does from a certain point of view, I think her play is geared towards seeming towny and pleasant and kind of blending in a bit and that feels scummy to me.

In post 140, marcistar wrote:

In post 138, Ausuka wrote:Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play;

ur wrong aisa seems towny

this sounds forced as well. game over - both scum

you both won't vote each other moving forwards - because when one of you flips scum, the other's head willl roll shortly afterwards

I hate this game already

sigh

I literally won last game as scum in part because people don't trust Marci for playing like this.

Aussie you were there.

In post 141, Ausuka wrote:

In post 140, marcistar wrote:

In post 138, Ausuka wrote:Aisa I think feels the scummiest based on play;

ur wrong aisa seems towny

yeah she does from a certain point of view, I think her play is geared towards seeming towny and pleasant and kind of blending in a bit and that feels scummy to me.

I think you're letting your mind wander too much that its over complicating things.

Day 1 VC #5

Herta

(2): marcistar (18), Radical Rat (124)

Juice

(2): Aisa (33), MegAzumarill (121)

marcistar (3): Hiraki (20), Herta (97), Juice (116)

Not Voting

(2): JohnnyFarrar, Ausuka (134)