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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:27 am
by Dannflor
VOTE: gamma
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:32 am
by northsidegal
In post 119, Dannflor wrote: In post 97, northsidegal wrote:later on we can get into the WIFOM of whether or not scum picked the same number (to which the answer is typically no) but for now it's probably a waste of attention.
isn't it always going to be a waste of time then? I don't really get what you mean here
also how did you get a town read out of NK15's 1 post
it doesn't seem that hard to understand, honestly. later in the game when we actually have a few flips we can probably make more definitive statements (or at the very least more informed statements) about the position of scum within the number picks. i guess to be fair i said "later on we can get into the WIFOM" when really what i just meant is later on we can get into the subject of the number picks at all, not necessarily just the subject of whether scum repeated their picks (to which again the answer is basically always: no they didn't).
what's your interpretation of NK15's one post? do you think it's just NAI?
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:41 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 121, northsidegal wrote: In post 109, Gamma Emerald wrote:Before things go to far, just wanna mention to not let Penguin or especially nsg slide without justifying their votes on me
why especially me?
and why direct other people to do this and not just do it yourself?
because you spoke about other people but didn't actually provide reasoning for your vote, penguins was basically just a naked vote
and I figure if others push for it, there's a greater chance of it happening
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:43 am
by northsidegal
seems a little bizarre
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:44 am
by northsidegal
do you think scrrrdbear is stupid town or scum?
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:46 am
by Dannflor
ah, I understand and I agree with that largely. the "get into the WIFOM" part made me raise an eyebrow as that seems contradictory and made me feel like you were just saying things to say things. I think I just misunderstood though
regarding NK15, I think it depends on what he does next. as it is, I don't think engaging in a specific part of scrrdbear's post is all that AI.
maybe this is best talked about once he posts more
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:48 am
by Dannflor
Gamma let me ask you this
what justification are you actually expecting / would you be happy with from nsg or penguin?
like I feel you're overly worried about the seriousness of a page 5 wagon on you
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:51 am
by PenguinPower
In post 131, Dannflor wrote:like I feel you're overly worried about the seriousness of a page 5 wagon on you
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:53 am
by northsidegal
granted, i am pretty
washed up
rusty, it's been quite a while since i've played with nk15 and he was always pretty hard to read, but i feel like his one post is already somewhat town indicative.
In post 94, Not Known 15 wrote: In post 89, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I'D SAY PORKENS, ENCHANT AND JUNKO ARE TOWN. PENGUIN IS NULL CLOSER TO TOWN, DANNFLOR IS NULL CLOSER TO SCUM. GAMMA IS SCUM.
What's the reason for Junko town?
i'm of the belief that someone singling out one read from a set of reads and asking for justification for that is probably more likely to come from town. i think that it's indicative of a genuine underlying thought process: as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.
it's not the strongest read of all time, but i still think that it's indicative.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:13 am
by Porkens
I definitely wouldn’t townread NK15 for that post.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:18 am
by northsidegal
saying that it's an outright townread would be too strong, but like i said i think it's at least town-indicative.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:21 am
by Porkens
I just had a game where one scum did nothing but ask why people townread other people, so I guess I’m sensitive to it.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:32 am
by Porkens
In fact I think it’s odd that you town lean that. Your explanation that you think it shows a town mindset doesn’t really hold water for me. Why would that come from town? Your explanation states:
“as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.“
You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.
But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is more likely to come from town.
Then you shit on your own read.
VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:34 am
by Porkens
And I’ll say it: if nk15 flips red, then so will nsg
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:35 am
by Porkens
In post 137, Porkens wrote:In fact I think it’s odd that you town lean that. Your explanation that you think it shows a town mindset doesn’t really hold water for me. Why would that come from town? Your explanation states:
“as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.“
You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.
But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is less likely to come from scum.
Then you shit on your own read.
VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:36 am
by Porkens
And hey nice to see you again Northsidegal.
Also where the hell is noot moofia
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:38 am
by Dannflor
do u have any thoughts on gamma porkens
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:39 am
by Dannflor
i don't really agree it's likely nsg's like first read of the game is a super weak town read on her buddy
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:40 am
by Dannflor
in fact i think the process is like very marginally town indicative for nsg even though i disagree
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:43 am
by Dannflor
In post 137, Porkens wrote:You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.
But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is more likely to come from town.
Then you shit on your own read.
VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.
Porkens I'm not getting why you jumped from "that's not a town post" to "that's a scum post"
I am equally incredulous of reading into it as a scum post
like, I think it's an easy scum entrance or it *could* be indicative of an underlying town thought process but I don't think there is enough information to make that judgement yet
Can you explain what's indicative about that post?
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:44 am
by Dannflor
In post 143, Dannflor wrote:in fact i think the process is like very marginally town indicative for nsg even though i disagree
actually no
I think nsg will be very readable with time but her posts so far are like just Fine
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:47 am
by northsidegal
In post 137, Porkens wrote:In fact I think it’s odd that you town lean that. Your explanation that you think it shows a town mindset doesn’t really hold water for me. Why would that come from town? Your explanation states:
“as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.“
You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.
But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is more likely to come from town.
Then you shit on your own read.
VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.
i do say why i think it's town behavior: because i think that it's indicative of someone reading the thread and genuinely having their own thoughts. scum is "capable" of doing anything that town can do, of course: it's a question of probability, and my evaluation is that the probability that town asks that question is (even if slightly!) higher than that for scum. i didn't "shit on" my own read, i'm trying to be clear about the exact degree to which i think things and not overstate anything.
it feels like the criticism you're making of my read could be applied to basically any read ever. oh, you think that that action is towny because it's more likely to come from town? well, yeah, that's kinda how this game works.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:51 am
by Porkens
Really scummy through post 22.
Asking why someone doesn’t think something is kind of in line with what o was talking about earlier.
In post 85, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 75, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear
IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.
THE SHADE IN #38 IS MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM.
VOTE: Gamma
So, despite the statistical evidence supporting there being multiple scum in the 1s, you have somehow "ruled them out" already. Yeah that's bogus.
VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR
I mean, it’s omgus, but let’s look at 38:
In post 85, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 75, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear
IDRC ABOUT THE 1 CHOICES, I RULED THAT NUMBER OUT RIGHT AWAY.
THE SHADE IN #38 IS MORE INDICATIVE OF SCUM.
VOTE: Gamma
So, despite the statistical evidence supporting there being multiple scum in the 1s, you have somehow "ruled them out" already. Yeah that's bogus.
VOTE: SCRRRDBEAR
In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:And it better be a good reason because I can already think of one, and it’s not a great look for you Sir Bear
So yeah, it is a weird shadey thing to say.
Ugh quote failure and I’m on my phone can’t fix it. Sorry. Will continue in next post
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:57 am
by Porkens
In post 146, northsidegal wrote: In post 137, Porkens wrote:In fact I think it’s odd that you town lean that. Your explanation that you think it shows a town mindset doesn’t really hold water for me. Why would that come from town? Your explanation states:
“as though one has read through the thread, can at least see the justification for all of the rest of the reads, but can't see the reasoning for one of them. i imagine that scum trying to ask a question just to ask a question would be less likely to single out a single read from a set of them and more likely to respond to a post with basically only one point in it.“
You don’t say anything about why that is town behavior. A scum would be just as capable of honestly doing all of those things without having to fake anything. A very comfortable move for scum.
But you are also basically saying I think he is town because he did this thing I think is more likely to come from town.
Then you shit on your own read.
VOTE: NK15 that’s a scum post.
i do say why i think it's town behavior: because i think that it's indicative of someone reading the thread and genuinely having their own thoughts. scum is "capable" of doing anything that town can do, of course: it's a question of probability, and my evaluation is that the probability that town asks that question is (even if slightly!) higher than that for scum. i didn't "shit on" my own read, i'm trying to be clear about the exact degree to which i think things and not overstate anything.
it feels like the criticism you're making of my read could be applied to basically any read ever. oh, you think that that action is towny because it's more likely to come from town? well, yeah, that's kinda how this game works.
I can see where you are coming from. I have a couple of points;
1. Scum can’t do anything town can do. Scum knows they are scum and have to “act towny” to not get eliminated. That’s an act. It’s very hard to “forget you are scum.” So in a way, every scum post is forced. Town has no such restriction.
2. It doesn’t explain every argument ever. You are saying that you think that behavior is towny, but you haven’t justified it in an acceptable way to establish that is town behavior. That’s the part of your argument I am attacking.
3. I don’t think you really want to get into “probability” here. Everyone is more probably town, so your feeling that is true doesn’t count for much.
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:59 am
by Porkens
4. You did downplay your own read - we can agree on that. I think that’s scummy because it’s a good setup for having your read proved wrong. I can see scum motivation there. What would the town motivation be?