My Milked Eek wrote:
popsofctown wrote:But, that's why i made sure to pull him in, and he's certainly not in the background of public thought right now.
This you got to explain to me because to me it seems that Eric, by his own actions, pulled himself in.
I also thinks it's quite daring of you to put words in Eric's mouth. Of course you use the hypothetical blanket there, but you still said what you said.
Ok i want to make it clear that in my last post i was explaining how my former actions line up with my current actions: how I seemed to freak out over an L-3, but care less about L-2's and L-1's. My FoS on Eric wasn't based on lynching levels, but on fear of a "silent wagon pusher".
My last post was not meant to be an insistent that my FoS was necessary, nor an insistence that his unvote to vote on me is very suspicious. I think it's very low on the spectrum of suspicious things. I don't defend the size of my reaction (though i still feel someone should have said something about it to him), I think i probably should have more calmly asked why he wanted to vote for me.
I definitely did pull Eric into the arena though. He voted me, and then i issued an FoS at him because i thought he was being making a detached vote. That is what made Eric unvote. Then Barros and My Milked Eek both decided that Eric's unvote was suspicious.
If you're saying he pulled himself in by making a vote based off mosquitos, then you would be agreeing that his vote was somehow suspicious.
My Milked Eek wrote:
Also, should someone else have placed the scond vote on a person (doesn't matter who, not you specifically), would that be perceived as scummy, or fishy? You do realize that at some point someone would have needed to place a second vote, unless you want to be stuck with everyone at 1 vote.
If anyone else had placed a second vote on someone,
without giving a game-relevant reason
, yes, i would have been suspicious.
Yes, you have to go to second votes. But those second votes can have reasons.
My Milked Eek wrote:
Why is Eric's vote fishy? Don't give me that crap reasoning. Any vote can be discarded as "he could have started a scene later." (paraphrased).
I'm going to quote his vote.
ERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC wrote:unvote. Vote popsofctown
. Mosquitos Are attracted to scum
Like i said, i think i overreacted. I had already realized that i had overreacted by the time i responded to Barros' post on page two, which is why i started backtracking by saying Eric's unvote-vote was weee bit scummy.
But the issue is that he's not standing behind the vote in a way he'll be accountable for it later, but it could still cause a lynch.
I don't see why i'm the only one who considers that vote a suspicious vote. If anyone can explain to me how the vote furthered the town's win condition any more than an FoS would have, i'd be happy.
My Milked Eek wrote:
Where is eric, btw?
I'm doubting your moot point that he wasplanting something here. Simply because his play style so far has not impressed me very much (no offense Eric). I do not think someone who "deliberately confused" the town and admitted to it, I do not find that person capable of coming up with such a plan.
This, however, doesn't mean I don't find him suspicious for his other actions, I just find this reason to be kind of meh. I hope you see this...
Remember, at the time of my FoS, i had no way of knowing that Young Eric was a very new player. He could have been on his third game.
I do see how my reason was kind of meh. I agree it's weak, I agree i overreacted. The only reason i keep on explaining it is man's desire to be validated, no one here has said "oh i see what you're saying... that's a longshot though".
My Milked Eek wrote:
pops wrote:Also, the vote wasn't in line with the way he gave his original vote. He gave a joke reason along with a legit reason. Why didn't he do so again?? He could have said, "Mosquitos are attracted to scum. But for real guys, we need to get discussion started somehow." He suggested that he made the vote to stir discussion, but only later on.
To be fair, he did post that in the post following the debated vote.
pops wrote:He's contradicting himself, and not directly saying what he means. It doesn't mean he's certainly scum, but i think it's something scum would do more than innocents
The thing is this, WIFOM, XD. Seriously though, it's weird to say that, yes, but to use that as one of the resons to conclude that he is scum? =/
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*shrugs* I thought contradiction was a little bit like Lynch all Liars, but weaker. I guess not.
My Milked Eek wrote:
pops wrote:First off, the whole L-3 thing is something i already went over. The main basis of that initial accusation on Eric wasn't that it was L-3. I just mentioned that in case he was going to say he new vote on me was the same as his initial random vote on Moratorium. The reasons up higher in this post (and i've said them before as well), are the primary reasons I was suspicious of Eric.
cfr. the above then.
pops wrote:I perceived that guy0's well reasoned and explained vote was the L-1 vote. I felt guy0 had reason enough to put me at L-1, some of what i had said in my first long post might have made more questions than answers, guy0 was possibly still suspicious that i might be scumbuddy with Eric
Ok, I dig, but why not go for Eric's "L-2" then?
Regardless of it being L-2 or not, a crap reason to vote remains a crap reason.
If i recall correctly, I already had an outstanding vote on Eric. And currently, I am strongly believed to be his scumbuddy, so i didn't want to explain why Eric's vote was scummy just to get yelled "look at popsofctown now, he's tired of WIFOM and now he's OMGUS bussing!" Yeah guy0, we don't need that glossary anymore, this thread is becoming a mafiascum glossary, lol.
Also, Eric's believed vote had a strong OMGUS component, which is pretty null.
pops wrote:Eric didn't clearly indicate why he was voting. And I know Eric can't possibly be suspicious that he and I are scumbuddies. That leaves very little reason to vote for me.
The L-1 vote, right? I'm not quite sure what you're implying, but I think it's that he can't be your scumbuddy because of that. Well, tbh, that possibility is still there.
Let's assume Eric's scum. He L-1'd you for possibly 2 reasons.
1. You're town and he wanted a quick D1 lynch.
2. You're scum and he wanted to do a bussing. Just this once.
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I was saying: "I myself am 100% sure that Eric knows we are not scumbuddies." Therefore my own personal suspicions of him are increased because i know he has hardly any reason left to think i'm scum. He has reason not to like me, i'm voting for him, but he can't have much reason to think i'm scum.
My Milked Eek wrote:
He could also be a newb town and just go along with the bandwagon on the one attacking him.
At this moment lynching Eric tells us a lot about you, while lynching you wouldn't tell us much about him. That is, should we need to lynch right now, which we don't.
Yes. I'm strongly against a lynch before the two absentees clock in. I'll pull my vote if Eric hits L-1 and they still haven't clocked in and said what they think.
My Milked Eek wrote:
pops wrote:Quoted for truth. This logic is why i feel pretty certain that Eric will be our D1 lynch.
Yeah... Don't be too quick to put his head through the noose though. ut combined with the paragraphs above, I too see an Eric lynch to be the most plausible one at the moment. Once more; should we need to lynch.
pops wrote:I said barely any discussion on D2, not D3. I think you misread, that's the only thing that could imply we are nearing a lynch. I think we are going to lynch Eric today, but i think we are going to talk about some things some more.
What concerns me is that you have decided that should we look at you for D2 lynch, that you will not defend yourself. This is implied by the "no discussion on D2". Defending yourself and reading the reactions of the lynchers is the hypothetical D2 discussion that you thought we would have none of.
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We would have discussion, yes. However, it would be a shorter than average D2, since suspicion is centrally focused on me, and the general consensus right now is that i suck at arguing points in mafia (i can laugh at myself), so I think the hammer would come down somewhat fast.
What i was more concerned about is the
quality
of the discussion on D2 rather than the quantity. Since it's all about me all day, little information would be gathered about other players.
You talk about other players reacting to my defenses, and now that you say that that makes me happy, i see how even when the focus is on me, there could be some information gathered on other players.
My Milked Eek wrote:
pops wrote:Yeah, it's cool. Sorry, i was just a little bit cranky, because i discussed a hypathetical situation, then had to explain why it tallies up to a civilian and a scum, and then my explanation got read as WIFOM. It's not really yours or Moratorium's fault, it's more like when you come back from the dentist's office and you can't talk clearly, and when people can't understand you you get all mad and start yelling stuff. Which they can't understand. "MOWWRFFMMMAAFOOOM!!!!!!"
K, ça va dude.
pops wrote:What's a post restriction? I'd like to understand some of the jokes,
http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... estriction
In this case it's self-implied to use any variation of cookies/cupcakes.
Why? For fun. >=)
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I think Pimhel looks like a cookie.
My Milked Eek wrote:
pops wrote:Mod: popsofctown (me) is taking an absence
I will probably have access at my grandfather's house tomorrow. Probably no access monday, tuesday, wednesday, or thursday. I expect to be back friday. If i don't make a post by saturday morning, assume i'm dead, turned amish, or whatever.[/b]
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Be back soon. What I do know is that we need to actively include the others because your verage of 6-8 posts per page was the catalysator of the game so far.
I'm not actually at my grandfather's right now, we decided to go straight to tallahassee and stay in a hotel. Apparently hotels in florida have computers that you can use. So if you're lucky you'll get posts from me every day....
My Milked Eek wrote:
So that being said I'd like to ask everyone the following;
- What's your stance on YOUNG ERIC and why?
- What's your stance on popsofctown and why?
- Same for Barros.
Answer number two without using the term "WIFOM" and you will get a cookie
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
