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but Ythan, your second-to-last post seems to suggest something very different from what you suggested with your .

Ythan wrote:I'm going to relent for (just) the moment. If I determine that I should claim I will let us decide whether my information is as significant as I think.

This is what I said and it is perfectly plain. I know you're smarter than that.

@ythan: I am trying to figure out if you are going to backtrack, because I don't understand, given the current situation, how relenting could even be an option. Care for explain, sooner or later?

@thil: mmh, if I were in your position, I would have had 2 or 3 names I would have investigated before tmh. Why him and not hohum, who wanted to lynch the claimed "vt" over the cop? Why him and not dana? Why him and not chk, who was the replacement of Lucresia - day 1 hammerer - and the one who started the case on you to save pine?

I'm not backtracking. I've never stated I have absolute proof he is scum. As I clearly stated in that post I am relenting for the moment but may in the future share what information I have for more minds to consider. None of this information is new.

lewarcher82 wrote:@ythan: I am trying to figure out if you are going to backtrack, because I don't understand, given the current situation, how relenting could even be an option. Care for explain, sooner or later?

@thil: mmh, if I were in your position, I would have had 2 or 3 names I would have investigated before tmh. Why him and not hohum,

who wanted to lynch the claimed "vt" over the cop

? Why him and not dana? Why him and not chk, who was the replacement of Lucresia - day 1 hammerer - and the one who started the case on you to save pine?

huh, it was supposed to be ...

@Ythan: ok, for the moment, I only say "thanks for the clarification". But fyi, I hd the impression you were saying something more decisive with your hints, and after rereading your iso I still think it was a very legitimate impression to have.

If you're trying to suggest something by arguing that your interpretation was an acceptable impression then please just man up and make a clear post.

, then: I had the impression you were cc'ing the claimed cop. If you feel like thil is claiming the same role as you, I don't understand why would you decide to "relent".

I am ESL, so I looked up relent in the dictionary. Is my point clear now?

The Master Hand wrote:Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

See, but he's not going to get any incorrect results - he's not going to get any, period. Either he's going to continue the 'OH I WAS ROLEBLOCKED' charade, or if he's actually town he's just going to continue to be roleblocked.

Essentially, you are giving him a free pass for the rest of the game.

thil13 wrote:If that's what the rest of the town chooses, I will, and then I will enjoy watching you guys squirm.

Hmm, coming from somebody who apparently wins with the rest of the town. Wut.

danakillsu wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:@Dana: What information will it give us?

What information will what give us?

I

was talking about the wagon, not necessarily his lynch. I'm still not sure if I plan to lynch him.

o.0

Ummm. He's a claimed cop, and you weren't sure whether you wanted to lynch him, but you voted him?

Kdub wrote:Ythan, do you think that scum fakeclaiming cop would claim to have failed to send in an action N1? If anything, that strikes me as more likely to be an honest answer. That just raises extra doubts when he could have easily claimed an innocent on someone if he was lying.

WIFOM. It's certainly not a town-tell, it's probably null. But, as I've said, it is something I would do as scum.

thil13, to Ythan wrote:All you have been doing is pointing every last detail about my actions, call them scummy, and dismiss what I say and label it scummy posting. I would say YOU sir, are being disingenuous.

'K, why no vote?

lewarcher82 wrote:I am still very nervous about the current situation, tho, and the path I picked is already being pressured. So for the time being I prefer to put my vote on another FoS of mine and give thil some more time to post some content.

What will this achieve (giving thil time)? He's already very scummy, are you suggesting that if he suddenly starts being less scummy we should excuse his past scummy behaviour and focus on his actual content just because he's claimed cop (who doubtless will be 'roleblocked' for the rest of the game)?

The Master Hand wrote:Ythan...these are the following options for thil
1)He truly is a cop who found Espeonage scum. if this is the case then your tunnelling on him and a town flip makes

you

the lynch

Why Ythan? Why nobody else voting thil (dana, myself, Dekes, esurio)?

crazypianist1116 wrote:Something rubbed me wrong about PaTB's thil vote. It seemed rather forced in response to a somewhat reasonable post.

How so? Thil's post was a truly awful post. As of that post, I would have no idea at all whether thil found Ythan's attacks scummy or not. Did that not concern you?

Ythan wrote:I'm going to relent for (just) the moment. If I determine that I should claim I will let us decide whether my information is as significant as I think.

So why no unvote?

danakillsu wrote:

lewarcher wrote:you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why.

lewarcher wrote:I don't want to help you to look less scummy

Yeah...

Well I'll tell you this much. You're not looking very town, Ythan's not looking very town, The Master Hand is looking pretty town, and thil's a complete wild card. So I'll

unvote vote: lewarcher

for self-contradiction.

That's not a contradiction. The first post is just a different way of saying thil is scummy because he joins wagons without explaining why.

I'm just too busy -_- It makes more sense to replace then lurk the whole time (like I have been forced to lately...)

I was thinking something along the same lines as lewarcher, though not necessarily a counterclaim, just some sort of role-related info.

Ythan wrote:I'm not backtracking. I've never stated I have absolute proof he is scum. As I clearly stated in that post I am relenting for the moment but may in the future share what information I have for more minds to consider. None of this information is new.

If none of it is new, then I'm not seeing it and I don't see the harm in you sharing it.

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

danakillsu wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:@Dana: What information will it give us?

What information will what give us?

I

was talking about the wagon, not necessarily his lynch. I'm still not sure if I plan to lynch him.

o.0

Ummm. He's a claimed cop, and you weren't sure whether you wanted to lynch him, but you voted him?

*golfclap*

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

danakillsu wrote:

lewarcher wrote:you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why.

lewarcher wrote:I don't want to help you to look less scummy

Yeah...

Well I'll tell you this much. You're not looking very town, Ythan's not looking very town, The Master Hand is looking pretty town, and thil's a complete wild card. So I'll

unvote vote: lewarcher

for self-contradiction.

That's not a contradiction. The first post is just a different way of saying thil is scummy because he joins wagons without explaining why.

Since you don't even know who he was talking to, I don't think you really understand the situation. But the nuance you choose to read into that is your decision. I see plain English words that are obviously contradictory.

danakillsu wrote:

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

danakillsu wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:@Dana: What information will it give us?

What information will what give us?

I

was talking about the wagon, not necessarily his lynch. I'm still not sure if I plan to lynch him.

o.0

Ummm. He's a claimed cop, and you weren't sure whether you wanted to lynch him, but you voted him?

*golfclap*

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

danakillsu wrote:

lewarcher wrote:you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why.

lewarcher wrote:I don't want to help you to look less scummy

Yeah...

Well I'll tell you this much. You're not looking very town, Ythan's not looking very town, The Master Hand is looking pretty town, and thil's a complete wild card. So I'll

unvote vote: lewarcher

for self-contradiction.

That's not a contradiction. The first post is just a different way of saying thil is scummy because he joins wagons without explaining why.

Since you don't even know who he was talking to, I don't think you really understand the situation. But the nuance you choose to read into that is your decision. I see plain English words that are obviously contradictory.

@patb: he is right, it's dana I am talking about, not thil.

@dana: poor attempt at using (poor) semantics to deny the evident meaning of my words. "you know what would make you look less scummy? posting longer and more!" just means "you are scummy because of your rare and short posts, post longer and more". All in all, your reaction and your countervote is even worse than an omgus. it's an omgus+blatant attempt at misrepping.

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

The Master Hand wrote:Ythan, Danakillsu, Pinky and the Brain: If you cannot see the value of someone claiming cop with no counterclaim and catching scum, see it now. The moment thil gets an incorrect read, he's lynchable. How can you guys turn against someone who caught scum?

See, but he's not going to get any incorrect results - he's not going to get any, period. Either he's going to continue the 'OH I WAS ROLEBLOCKED' charade, or if he's actually town he's just going to continue to be roleblocked.
Essentially, you are giving him a free pass for the rest of the game.

The Master Hand wrote:Ythan...these are the following options for thil
1)He truly is a cop who found Espeonage scum. if this is the case then your tunnelling on him and a town flip makes

you

the lynch

Why Ythan? Why nobody else voting thil (dana, myself, Dekes, esurio)?

1)But that will happen regardless of alignment. Not to mention that if we lynch the role-blocker, we end his ability to say that. I'm saying that its poor play to lynch a claimed cop at this stage in the game. There was no CC, and I see this entire case as turning into "uh, well, scum could have done that!" Well, guess what? Town can do that too.

2)Ythan because he was the primary pusher of the thil case both D3 and now D4. Ythan because I have a much stronger scum read on him. Of course, what I said can be useful to the whole of town, but I was asking questions TO Ythan in that post, and thus it was primarily meant for him.

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lewarcher82 wrote:

Im Klartext

, then: I had the impression you were cc'ing the claimed cop. If you feel like thil is claiming the same role as you, I don't understand why would you decide to "relent".

Look at what I've been saying about him trying to cover for a cc. If I could cc him with a cop claim I would have done it as soon as possible and he'd be dead.

Thanks Pinky for the reminder Pinky, but I am going to keep my vote. He's a terribly scummy player, whether or not I my straw breaks his camel-back.

Kdub wrote:If none of it is new, then I'm not seeing it and I don't see the harm in you sharing it.

...

That's exactly what I was doing.

Ythan wrote:please just man up and make a clear post.

You should listen to your own advice, Ythan.

I was under the same impression as most people were in thinking you had compromising information on thil. If you don't, I'm not gonna support a thil lynch no matter how scummy he is. There are scummy players by default, but given the circumstances of an un-cc'd cop claim with a correct guilty, thil is not the lynch for today. And if you would be willing to risk your lynch based on supposedly a read only, you might wanna work on your ego. Lastly, the fact that you have no clear number two suspect stresses the fact that you are shutting everything else out and that you, indeed, are tunneling on thil.

@thil
What made you change your mind on TMH? And while you have been on the defensive side for the better part of the day, you need to share your supsects. And I don't want the "I'm basically in agreement with everybody else. No need to reiterate" routine again.

The Master Hand wrote:1)But that will happen regardless of alignment. Not to mention that if we lynch the role-blocker, we end his ability to say that. I'm saying that its poor play to lynch a claimed cop at this stage in the game. There was no CC, and I see this entire case as turning into "uh, well, scum could have done that!" Well, guess what? Town can do that too.

You're missing a rather obvious alternative. That thil is a roleblocker.

Dana's vote is all sorts of bad, even to the point that it that it almost feels he thinks he's genuinely right about finding this "contradiction". But there was no clear indication why he left the thil wagon in the fist place.
Dana, you said "Lew's not looking very town", making it look like this was a pre-existing mindset of yours before finding that contradiction. Can you dig up some more scummy things about lew?

Are you fucking daft.

I said I'm not counterclaiming cop.

I heard you the first time. Do you have proof that thil is scum?

You're kind of being an idiot. Read my last half dozen posts before you ask any more questions.

No need for insults if you're the one being vague. If you're waiting for something before you decide to out your info, please. But then don't comment everytime your name is mentioned without adding anything new to the thread.

I've been perfectly clear with what I've given out, and it's exactly what you're asking to have repeated again and again. I kind of have to insult you.

Then the thil lynch is possibly not going through and you should look elsewhere. What you've managed to avoid today thus far.

You're kind of really being a weasel. Why don't you stick to something.

Ythan wrote:I'm going to relent for (just) the moment. If I determine that I should claim I will let us decide whether my information is as significant as I think.

Showing that you aren't as sure of your "evidence", whatever it may be, as you were before.

Ythan wrote:I'm not backtracking. I've never stated I have absolute proof he is scum. As I clearly stated in that post I am relenting for the moment but may in the future share what information I have for more minds to consider. None of this information is new.

Makes it look like your info isn't role-related, which is what we're being led to believe.

Ythan wrote:

Kdub wrote:If none of it is new, then I'm not seeing it and I don't see the harm in you sharing it.

...

That's exactly what I was doing.

Except you weren't. You haven't shared anything with any of us yet. You've only been talking about possibly doing it.


Overalls, asking you to be clear is justified.

If you read "I'm not claiming cop."

And get "It's not role-related."

Then don't be a Dekes and get mad when I call you retarded.