Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Seacore]

The bread crumbing doesn't bother me, many people don't. Particularly when he didn't get any important results (they neither clear nor condemn).

But yes, the rest of the claim looks bullshit, but it would look a lot less bullshit if there isn't a cop.
If Reck is a tracker and he did blow his two shots early, then that was a dumb move. But I've seen Reck play a bad game as town, in fact, I've seen him cock up a limited ability as town, trying to get the most out of it early rather than waiting to use it more successfully.

So, if we don't massclaim, for whatever reason, I'll vote him.
But I think we should mass claim, because right now we have two decent suspects, Reck and Furc, and a claim could help us work out which is the better lynch.

[Thor665]

Furc isn't a decent suspect unless I missed something.
Reck is scummy regardless of his claim - could you tell me the scum case on Furc? I'll wait...

[xRECKONERx]

Give me one more night/day to try and sort this out.

Thor. Look at my claim. Think about what doesn't add up. It should be very fucking obvious. I will trust you're of sound mind and an read between the lines here.

[Seacore]

What? Are you saying your claim is incomplete?

Full claim now!

[xRECKONERx]

No my claim is done.

[Grimmjow]

I am still V/LA until tomorrow (AND RECK SHOULD BE AS WELL SINCE IT'S OUT ANNIVERSARY)

[Furcolow]

I am here. I've been busy over Thanksgiving. Glad to see you, Seacore.

[Furcolow]

I don't believe Reck's claim given my liability, but I don't want to outguess the mod either.
I don't believe outting the cop at this point in the game is a bad idea, either, if reck is scum.
I don't support a massclaim, though the cop dying without outting reports would be bad, if reckoner is lying, and the cop is nked.

[Furcolow]

To not give IIoA, though, I will say that Reck's claim came at a weird and abrupt time. He had 2 votes to be lynched, sure, but it was a pretty sudden claim. I was actually about to say I wasn't going to lynch the slot up until he gave AtE, and now that claim is pretty bad. I'm willing to vote for Reck like Seacore is.

I believe Seacore's slot is town; I believe Soda was town.

[Seacore]

In my experience, AtE is not a scum tell for Reck.

I think the other stuff is scummy, and that's why I'll vote for him once we get this claim discussion sorted, but Reck is emotional as town, I've seen it.

[xRECKONERx]

Claim business isn't "getting soIUted out" today, eithe lynch me o let me lie till tomoqow

[Seacore]

well we don't really need your permission to organise a mass claim since you've already claimed.

So quietly sit in the corner while the rest of us discuss.

[Thor665]

Thor. Look at my claim. Think about what doesn't add up. It should be very Smurfng obvious. I will trust you're of sound mind and an read between the lines here.

I hate to admit this, but you apparently think I'm more clever than I am, because clearly I'm missing the point. I will remind you - I still haven't really read any of the thread, so if it's a lob back to anything in the first 40+ pages I'm probably likely to remain lost.
I guess I'll wait for your post tomorrow.

@Seacore- the heck? Sitting around going "hurdy-furdy!" isn't a good argument for massclaim. As I asked you earlier - do you have anything of a Furc case in existence? If Furc doesn't look scum besides his claim, then why do we need a massclaim to verify him?

[Seacore]

I've said why furc looks scum.

My Iso is very small, go look for it.

[Thor665]

Bounces around from wagon to wagon, doesn't contribute and yet manages to avoid being on the scum wagon of D1 but be on the two town lynches D2 and D3?

That's all I see.

1. Bouncing from wagon to wagon isn't inherently scummy - so unless you expand on it this part is as solid as oatmeal.
2. I'll agree he doesn't contribute, though I'm not sure I find him contributing less than is normal for him. Do you?
3. I've been town and on two town wagons and, not just off, but opposed to a scum wagon.

Does he suck?
Yeah.
Is he failing the game and I wish he'd be replaced due to the constant lurkfail?
Yeah.
Does that mean he's scum? I got doubts.

@Furc - by the by, have you paraphrased your role PM yet? I asked you that a while ago, but you keep having like three day stretches between posts so I keep forgetting to press you on it. Please paraphrase your role PM. The whole thing.

[Seacore]

Furc doesn't bounce. He finds a pet target and rages as town.

And yeah, there's some gut there too.

[Yates]

I don't understand why people are allowing themselves to be sheeped by Seacore/SodaSpirit when Soda was a primary lynch target for the majority of the game. Right now I see Thor and Seacore doing most of the talking and they are both scummy and I'm not buying what they are selling.

Vote Thor and take care of Seacore tomorrow.

[Thor665]

@Yates - please explain why Reck isn't scummy. Because...holy cats man, there's a reason this case is running so well right now. Go look at Grimm's case, Reck's reactions and claim, and my case on his claim being a scum claim.

[Yates]

You have to look at it from my perspective:
I know you are scum. I suspected Soda of being scum. Scum + scummy piling on a 3rd option that has roleclaimed is reason enough for me NOT to vote to lynch that person.

[Thor665]

Well...I can see your perspective except for one thing;

You don't *know* I am scum.
You

think

I am scum.
Big difference.

Could you at least read Grimm's case on Reck, and my explanation of why the claim is fake and offer your objective thoughts on that?

[Yates]

It's a theory. I can't comment on how reck has played games in the past. Obviously, a Day 1 bus *could* make sense but that doesn't mean that's what happened. Like I said, my feeling on you being Scum plus my feeling on Soda *probably* being scum are much stronger than this theory which doesn't have any realy supporting evidence.

[Yates]

Tell you what, Thor, I'll vote for Reck tomorrow if you flip Town.

[Thor665]

@Yates - if I flip town then it doesn't matter because town will lose, unless you think there are only two scum.

I get the feeling you really didn't go back and look at the cases - should I be getting that feeling? Could you maybe explain why Reck's claim is a town claim? I guess you're avoiding dealing with his obv. bus...by citing meta, but could you go and tell me whether you think he really wanted Triangle lynched or not? You can answer that without meta.

[Thor665]

^^^ actually, scratch that, 7 players alive, 6 dead.
In taht case, if you really want to go for it, you better start getting people to vote me.

[Yates]

Well, he had plenty of opportunities to change his vote and didn't. He could have also changed the 50/50 wagon from Triangle to Pine but didn't. I freely admit that Reck has been my most difficult read.