A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[macmollie]

whoa 9 post meltdown

thor you did not say he was neutral before I asked you so stop trying to act like you did

VOTE: thor

Actually, he did.

show me where

cos I did a word search and no

[Syryana]

@Garruk - If Amrun is your only scum read...why no vote on her? I'm here and alone.

I'm neutral on the Ooba push.
I'd support a Ceph push if people want to go back to that, the Amrun push is getting no love.
The Shadoweh push is bad.

Ooba opinion came here

thor what do you think of ooba guy?

Your question came here

[AGar]

I have stopped reading anything that is Thor and Benmage talking to one another since it's all useless drivel.

Can we

please

lynch Ooba now? His most recent spate of posts have not improved my view of him in the slightest. He asks questions, but they all seem to be filler-posts. His reasoning for his defenses on Amrun and Zdenek are extremely weak.

^

@Thor

Dear friend, just stop talking to Benmage and help us lynch Ooba (yes I know you're neutral on him). Seriously, it's just a huge wall of TvT right now, and no one likes TvT (in Mafia

or

StarCraft) because it's boring and gets nowhere. Alternatively, you said in 1230 that there are better lynches, you think. I don't like either of Ceph/Amrun for lynchbait today, so what else ya got for me?

@macmollie

Are you even paying attention in this game? Because it really feels like the answer to that is no.

We should seriously get some steam behind this Ooba wagon. That'd be pretty sweet.

[Tammy]

Either way, I hear those divorce proceedings usually take an awfully long time, so I'll get back to you soon.

Nah. It should be over pretty quickly. The land is mine.

[Tammy]

Catching up now from wherever my last post was.

How did that come along?

[Tammy]

Okay so considering joining the safetydance wagon but it depends on how he answers my question I asked and the resulting interaction.

Alfred Bordempire - I think I remember you saying that he was reacting much like he did as town in The Wire. I just read back through his play there last night as well as a couple of his other recent town games, and are you sure about that?

[AGar]

Tammy, come to Ooba instead. Much more productive and fruitful endeavor.

[Shadoweh]

Ooba: This is who I considered a serious subject at time of vote and I don't think it's changed:

Day 1, Vc 34

ooba (4) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, PrideandJoy, AGar

StupendousMan (3)-

Tammy, Nautilius, Cephrir

Thor665 (4) -

Benmage, elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, macmollie

SafetyDance (4) -

Tierce, Syryana, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless

Out of those, I agree currently that SM is flailing like a newbie, I don't really think Thor is scum, and the SafetyDance lynch is being pushed on ten scum claims or something? His posts just haven't triggered me I guess. Maybe it's because the only memory I have of you is briefly being my scumbuddy in LvE before lurking out and being replaced without posting, so I figure if you're lurking here it means you're more likely to be scum.

mollie: okay I will endeavour to make sure I never have to read your posts ever again.

[StupendousMan]

Can anyone answer why exactly ooba is scum? I see a lot of "ooba's posts are bad" and "vote: ooba" without much explanation. I know I should be paying more attention, but I'm super busy. This may be a better push than Quadz, since nobody will vote him and I'm having a hard time finding anything other than gut. I want to put my vote somewhere useful so if anyone can answer my question that would be splendid.

[Cephrir]

If StupendousMan is out of the picture (I'm liking him a little better though), SafetyDance is the best wagon, followed by Thor. I will not vote ooba. Still holding out for Garruk though.

[macmollie]

@Garruk - If Amrun is your only scum read...why no vote on her? I'm here and alone.

I'm neutral on the Ooba push.
I'd support a Ceph push if people want to go back to that, the Amrun push is getting no love.
The Shadoweh push is bad.

Ooba opinion came here

thor what do you think of ooba guy?

Your question came here

ty syrlacious but that is thor commenting on the wagon and I was specifically looking for what thor thought about ooba as a player in this game that is why I asked. to me the 2 are very different and I don't understand why he is being so stubborn about it but I don't think I am going to get much more out of him.

also you looked at sd's play in the game I linked and even admitted that in that game and this 1 the 2 are very different. so at this point are you still thinking he is scum? cos I am telling you I really think you are wrong.

[AGar]

If StupendousMan is out of the picture (I'm liking him a little better though), SafetyDance is the best wagon, followed by Thor. I will not vote ooba. Still holding out for Garruk though.

Thor is town.
SafetyDance is a sub-optimal wagon. The case on him relies on him whipping a whopping 10 scum reads out of thin air and leaving the reasoning in said thin air. It's a potential scum tell, but it gives us nothing because the whole 10 scum reads thing. Too much to sift through there.

Ooba has been generally passive, reactive and mostly concerned with his image rather than finding scum. In his first real post, he has two scum reads - quadz and kanye. He votes for one, but he makes no effort to gain traction on either wagon. A pro-town mindset would have him trying to lobby for more votes on those wagons to garner reactions, generate pressure and help divulge more from which he can gather reads from. He has repeatedly made posts which appear to deflect any attempts to garner insight into his reads, which from a town perspective makes no sense, because again - it does nothing to help gather people to your case, and thus, he once again appears to not actually care whether his wagons gain any ground, just that he has a vote cast somewhere. He's trying to make it appear as if he's involved in this game without actually being involved. He's since moved his vote to Shadoweh, who is his new main suspect, but once again done nothing to actually see if that's a viable wagon.

He's not town bro.

[AGar]

If StupendousMan is out of the picture (I'm liking him a little better though), SafetyDance is the best wagon, followed by Thor. I will not vote ooba. Still holding out for Garruk though.

Thor is town.
SafetyDance is a sub-optimal wagon. The case on him relies on him whipping a whopping 10 scum reads out of thin air and leaving the reasoning in said thin air. It's a potential scum tell, but it gives us nothing because the whole 10 scum reads thing. Too much to sift through there.

Ooba has been generally passive, reactive and mostly concerned with his image rather than finding scum. In his first real post, he has two scum reads - quadz and kanye. He votes for one, but he makes no effort to gain traction on either wagon. A pro-town mindset would have him trying to lobby for more votes on those wagons to garner reactions, generate pressure and help divulge more from which he can gather reads from. He has repeatedly made posts which appear to deflect any attempts to garner insight into his reads, which from a town perspective makes no sense, because again - it does nothing to help gather people to your case, and thus, he once again appears to not actually care whether his wagons gain any ground, just that he has a vote cast somewhere. He's trying to make it appear as if he's involved in this game without actually being involved. He's since moved his vote to Shadoweh, who is his new main suspect, but once again done nothing to actually see if that's a viable wagon.

He's not town bro.

[Cephrir]

to deflect any attempts to garner insight into his reads,

How so?

That sure is a better case than I've heard from anyone else though.

[Tammy]

VOTE: ooba

still think mr. waits until prods says he's catching up and 12 hours later still hasn't AKA safetydance is a good wagon though. AND I still want him to answer my question.

[AGar]

to deflect any attempts to garner insight into his reads,

How so?

That sure is a better case than I've heard from anyone else though.

In going back to highlight points, I realize I mistook one of his lines in a post (specifically, "my reads are my content" in #445) as a deflection rather than the intended meaning when he said that. Strike that single point from my case, though I still hold that he hasn't given us much to work with, even his "reads" post struck me as very barren. A lot of "vibe" and similar "reasoning". The rest of that case stands.

[Tammy]

also you looked at sd's play in the game I linked and even admitted that in that game and this 1 the 2 are very different. so at this point are you still thinking he is scum? cos I am telling you I really think you are wrong.

The game you linked was a scum game, yeah? Is that your only point of reference? Because last night I checked out a few of his town games and a scum game, and I don't see how you can call him town based on so little. In fact his play looks nothing like his town games I read.

I'm figuring he'll be flaking from here soon enough though anyway.

[AGar]

Guys, seriously.

You can't have 1 town game of someone and 1 scum game of someone and say "Well this is his meta for X"

When you're new to this site and the distinct style of play, your particular play style, habits and nuances are going to rapidly shift as you play more games.

So stop. Read his actions in

this game

.

[macmollie]

also you looked at sd's play in the game I linked and even admitted that in that game and this 1 the 2 are very different. so at this point are you still thinking he is scum? cos I am telling you I really think you are wrong.

The game you linked was a scum game, yeah? Is that your only point of reference? Because last night I checked out a few of his town games and a scum game, and I don't see how you can call him town based on so little. In fact his play looks nothing like his town games I read.

I'm figuring he'll be flaking from here soon enough though anyway.

I think I have played 3 or 4 games with sd and yeah, he replaces out a lot.

the thing that I have noticed about sd is that as town he doesn't always know what to say but as scum he

really

does not know what to say. he is 1 of those players that I would like to give a little bit of space to and see what he is capable of.

the thing is, he provided a list in this game. having been on a scumteam with him in a nightless mountainous game, I appreciate the list.

[Thor665]

@Mollie - a "meltdown" isn't a scum tell when I am trying to explain reality to someone too dense to notice it who is also saying that "neutral" is not a read...somehow... I wonder if Syr will get you to notice reality? I wonder if I will be called on misrepping you. Oh gads, seriously, whut?

@AGar - a Day 1 lynchbait? Are you serious? Look at the player list, we don't need to be limiting ourself to culling at this stage and it seems silly to choose to do so. Neither of them are being pro town, which is the basic impetus of your Ooba push, but add in Amrun's awkward defense of me or Ceph's aggressive refusal to actually look at motivation and I think they both look worse objectively.

[Thor665]

I am neutral on Mollie's ability to read time/date stamps.

This is not actually an opinion about her.
Apparently...

[Cephrir]

aggressive refusal to actually look at motivation

....????

Pretty sure that's what scumhunting is and also what I'm doing, sorry if you don't like my style

[Thor665]

I apparently don't.
Also, I don't feel you're doing what you want me to believe you are doing.

[Cephrir]

OK

[elleheathen]

Reading through this all just looks like a lot of 'you're my bro or I think I can read you well so I won't vote you even though I think there's a good chance you're scum.'

...And this really only applies because /sadpanda

So many people are townreading Thor and I feel like I've missed something. Reading through more of his games kind of makes me wonder - but I knew my read was highly speculative when I made it. (And I'm one of those awful people that has to state them when I feel them because

what if

.) I still stand by it but this recent push gives me uneasy vibes. macmollie's vote (and the leadup for it) on Thor looks like an attempt to find an excuse to get the vote back on him after kanye's 1201. I'm not sure it's indicative of alignment - just gives me weird feels.

@macmollie

- Could I get a summary on your read of Thor, if you plzplz?

@kanye

- Same as above.

(Or maybe just point me in the direction of your read if I missed it? I'll ISO for it tomorrow but in case you beat me to it or wanna lay it out for me... ?)

@Tammy

- Did Thor's responses give you any better insight about him at all?