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Snap out of it.

Easy for you to say.

Who are you?

This is Nacho.

If I weren't a little wine-soaked I'd probably be yelling at you. Not sure exactly what I'd be yelling at you, though.

Can we talk reads?

You're not sure what you'd be yelling, I'm not quite sure why.

I'd love to talk reads, I was getting ready to go through Regfan's as we speak.

You replaced into a slot I was reading as strong town. F-16 replaced into a slot I had some concerns about but that I thought looked pretty town. Regfan replaced into a slot I haven't liked much at all since the start of the game. Based on how the three of you have played since you replaced in, I'd pretty much want to reverse direction/strength on. But, I'd rather just hold on to the earlier reads where applicable, I guess.

push on HB in Post 153, Post 1555 (Which is using reasoning after-the-fact to explain his scum read beforehand) and then promising a case in Post 156 with no real follow through other than it all being based around an unvote of an RVS vote in Post 233 which is is horrendous reasoning especially for his "strongest scum rad". The read on MoC in Post 210 looks very much like distancing - being able to say "Yeah I didn't town read them" later on while also not having to push them. Don't think the threat to replace out in Post 280 is a town tell at all especially with it being retracted within 3 minutes. Read change to being willing to lynch Arc in Post 421 while having them as town prior without any reasoning behind the change looks opportunistic as fuck. Conflicted on what to make of Yonces replace in posts, particularly Post 536, don't like the flip from MoC to Ank in Post 1020 doesn't mesh with his confidence in MoC being scum earlier. Really need to see more from him, especially in regards to what happened with his MoC scum read since it randomly vanished, think the slot has a decent chance of being scum though.


1) Yes, my opinion of Egg isn't particularly high in comparison to Nacho.
2) That explanation re; The scum read on Ank is fair enough and makes me feel slightly better about your vote - I'm p firmly of the opinion that you shouldn't be replacing into a game unless you plan to read through the game in its entirety and not vote until you're caught up. Think doing anything other than that leads towards chances of missing information or context making it harder to get reads and follow conversation, would have thought you'd do the same.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:guys, plz just either make some effort at sorting us or put us out of our misery.

Don't worry, you will be getting lynched today, how you weren't lynched yesterday is atrocious and p sure it was largely due to your team-mates chickening out of bussing which hopefully means you're some strong scum PR. Will be throwing down a huge wall-case later tonight.

It will be a flawed case, but I can't really call it an unjustified one atm.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:You replaced into a slot I was reading as strong town. F-16 replaced into a slot I had some concerns about but that I thought looked pretty town. Regfan replaced into a slot I haven't liked much at all since the start of the game. Based on how the three of you have played since you replaced in, I'd pretty much want to reverse direction/strength on. But, I'd rather just hold on to the earlier reads where applicable, I guess.

This is what I expected from you. I haven't been in a position where I've felt this awkward interacting with you in a long, long time and while I understand the reasons you're being fatalistic/resigned, it'd be much, much easier for me if you weren't.

↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:You replaced into a slot I was reading as strong town. F-16 replaced into a slot I had some concerns about but that I thought looked pretty town. Regfan replaced into a slot I haven't liked much at all since the start of the game. Based on how the three of you have played since you replaced in, I'd pretty much want to reverse direction/strength on. But, I'd rather just hold on to the earlier reads where applicable, I guess.

This is what I expected from you. I haven't been in a position where I've felt this awkward interacting with you in a long, long time and while I understand the reasons you're being fatalistic/resigned, it'd be much, much easier for me if you weren't.

It would be much easier for me, too.

Onward.

Medea did a pretty low-key scum game in the Tarot micro I modded. They've been slightly more active than that here, but for various and sundry reasons I would really like to see them doing shit.

When we flip, town is going to have to figure out what the hell happened at the end of Day 1. Was scum willing to have a nolynch rather than removing a potentially effective town slot? How many scum were on our wagon?

↑ Regfan wrote:combine posts so it doesn't blow this thread to a 100 page game in a week.

For the record: I generally post on mobile and it takes an obnoxious amount of effort to combine all my posts into one. I will try to remember to combine my shit in one post when I am on a laptop, but sometimes I forget. We won't air our non-game related shit, but that's probably the best we can do for you.

↑ Regfan wrote:and why he didn't think it was worth taking the extra few minutes to ISO both people that have been in the slot.

I certainly would have read through HB eventually, but I was feeling particularly lazy when I initially began catching up because I had just gotten back of work and was lazy as shit and still pretty satisfied with what I found from Ank. The next series of posts happened when on the bus on my way to work and not really in the mood to read then.

↑ Regfan wrote:fake claiming an inventor type role

The way the claim happened is pretty much what clinches Boon town for me. The way everything unfolded into the inventor claim that he crumbed excessively and ended up using a lightning rod to create the weirdest kill in the world N1 on a town read of his seems honest as hell to me. For one, in some strange world, it actually makes sense for Boonskies to give a lightning rod to a townread because he doesn't want to protect scum? I can see him not expecting anyone to die because generally lightning rods mean no one dies (since protection role + nightkill usually cancel each other out), and this scenario makes leagues more sense than scum killing AK to set up Boonskies's lightning rod claim (because why?), scum killing AK and Boonskies going with his fakeclaim anyways (seriously doubt he came up with it + he doesn't seem that stubborn), or whatever the hell else scenario that could have unfolded if Boonskies was scum. The reaction when night opened (Post 902) was also awesomely genuine and makes sense with the narrative he claimed later in the day.

↑ Regfan wrote:Eggs entrance reads in Post 46 looked decent and his catchup in Post 475 reads very genuine, specifically the "too sure I'm town" and the "Oh god we're not going to get along this game Antihero" sections, I don't see the second one coming from him as scum in that manner. I also really like his reasoning behind town reading Boon in Post 998 and response in Post 1006. Would like more content / stances from him but right now reasonably confident he's town.

I agree with you re: "too sure I'm town", that reasoning was pretty town. My general problems with Egg lie in his general body of work. I don't really like his pushes on Riddleton or HB: both of them have pretty awkward progressions and they don't really seem genuine at all. For example, stuff like the progression from 473 --> 475 seemed strange: he's pretty much focused his entire game around Hypo/Riddleton scumreads and yet doesn't push either of them like they're strong reads of his. I also don't really understand why he discounts those two from being scumbuddies together based on their interaction when he's later pretty quick to say Anti is probably bussing Riddleton although he doesn't have much of a scumread on him and seems to understand the sources of their disagreement are based on personality traits and not anything that's actually scummy.

I am posting this now because I am drinking.

I missed the shit out of #1260! I blame SleepyKrew.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:Medea did a pretty low-key scum game in the Tarot micro I modded. They've been slightly more active than that here, but for various and sundry reasons I would really like to see them doing shit.

I would absolutely love to see them doing shit! There's no reason I should have to extrapolate as much as I am in order to reach a halfway decent read on them, and I am absolutely not against guilting in person in order to get them to post aka if I have to play a boombox by their window and serenade them with love songs in order to lure them out of their love nest, I will. There is, however, no way in hell I'm putting up with this shit all game.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:When we flip, town is going to have to figure out what the hell happened at the end of Day 1. Was scum willing to have a nolynch rather than removing a potentially effective town slot? How many scum were on our wagon?

This is the sort of discussion I'd love to have after F-16 catches up.

I fly back to Fresno for the holidays on Tuesday. We're enjoying the last weekend until after new year's, so you guys can dealwithit.jpg until Tuesday night, where I will be a very lonely cabd posting up a storm.

↑ Regfan wrote:Arcs ISO was painful to read through, the entire interaction with Serra (In fact everyone's abuse towards Serra) is way overboard but is something I have a hard time seeing Arc!Scum fake for instance Post 322 and Post 359. Reads list in Post 393 for the most part looks genuine, have a slight issue with the Isott read/reasoning though. Don't see the replace out and reason in Post 516 coming from scum either and liked most of Mikurus catch up in Post 594 but the amount of "interestings" and lack of follow through on the rest of catch up as well as the setup to vote Boon in Post 1090 is slightly concerning. Overall still think the slots town largely due to Arc but really need to see Miku comment more on recent events and explain their Boon scumread.

I think I can add considerable depth to my read on ArcAngel if I wait a few days to talk about that read, so will address her stuff then. Re: Mikuru, the catchup was okay but it lacked a considerable amount of punch for me (things like "I'm considering bumbing him back to null" make me cringe to shit) and the excessive excessive prod dodge party sort of ruined the townpoints she got for lots of effort.

I'm about 100x more confident in my ability in reading F-16 than I am GreyICE, so I'm not really interested in forming a read there.

↑ Medea the Alien wrote:I fly back to Fresno for the holidays on Tuesday. We're enjoying the last weekend until after new year's, so you guys can dealwithit.jpg until Tuesday night, where I will be a very lonely cabd posting up a storm.

see now it makes sense why you cancelled tomorrow
you can tell us these things because i planned on crashing the cancellation party tomorrow :/

I was expecting some good posting during weekdays jerv

pedit: dammit nacho

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1) Re; Post 1261, that's fine with me, just didn't want to be playing catchup in an inflated thread.

2) Yeah, there's absolutely no way Boons claim comes from scum. I guess where we differ with Egg is that I don't exactly expect much from him in terms of heavy-content so there being little lately isn't scummy in my book, his progression in read on HB is something I don't have an issue with either, 473->475 seems fine to me and I don't think he's pushed anything heavily because I don't think he's uber confident in his reads, I'll let him answer the Riddleton/Hypo not being partners whereas Riddleton/Anti might be part but I just really do not see him as scum here, both his Post 475 and Post 998 read town.

3) I'm cool waiting a few days to discuss Arc further and am also waiting on F-16s catch up to get a better read there so we can discuss him then too. I'm more after your thoughts on my Riddleton and MoC (Although I haven't gone into this one in detail yet) at the moment.

Think I'm heading out drinking again tonight, going to ruin my liver. Will get to the last 3 people in the morning.

Welp, it's like 11 and there's wine mulling in the kitchen already, so a sober post is unlikely to happen for ages.

VOTE: Jesus

↑ Regfan wrote:Eggs entrance reads in Post 46 looked decent and his catchup in Post 475 reads very genuine, specifically the "too sure I'm town" and the "Oh god we're not going to get along this game Antihero" sections, I don't see the second one coming from him as scum in that manner. I also really like his reasoning behind town reading Boon in Post 998 and response in Post 1006. Would like more content / stances from him but right now reasonably confident he's town.

The thing I like most about Egg is the way he went against the current on Boonskiies at the start of the game day. It's been enough on its own this game day that I'm leaning town now. more content would be good.

↑ Regfan wrote:Arcs ISO was painful to read through, the entire interaction with Serra (In fact everyone's abuse towards Serra) is way overboard but is something I have a hard time seeing Arc!Scum fake for instance Post 322 and Post 359. Reads list in Post 393 for the most part looks genuine, have a slight issue with the Isott read/reasoning though. Don't see the replace out and reason in Post 516 coming from scum either and liked most of Mikurus catch up in Post 594 but the amount of "interestings" and lack of follow through on the rest of catch up as well as the setup to vote Boon in Post 1090 is slightly concerning. Overall still think the slots town largely due to Arc but really need to see Miku comment more on recent events and explain their Boon scumread.

I agree that Mikuru is coasting, which is concerning. But, I hate to let go of such a strong townread over a poor performance (so far) by a replacement.

So, I am about to catch up. Regfan is holy fuck town and I'll post more in a bit. And no, I didn't "react" because I didn't feel like it. I'm still on the fence about Ffery but I feel that their interactions with Medea make Medea more likely scum than Murder.

I'll catch up on Monday. And by catch up, I mean read Jesus' posts...