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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:21 am

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Nice. I've spent several vacations in Garmisch. Love Bavaria.
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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:25 am

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Honestly I don't know what we need to wait for, I understand that we want to hear from Seph's replacement but at the same time, going silent like this is pretty damning. I don't see what we have to gain from waiting.
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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:29 am

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For as relatively inactive as you've been I find your impatience ironic.

You don't see any benefit at all from hearing out a confirmed town slot before it's probably nk'd?
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:35 am

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In post 1216, StefanB wrote:Christopher, Lal: If you are town, you are both struggeling. Can you two share some townread perhaps if scumreads or complete reads are too dificult?
To repeat something I wrote earlier. Lalendra anythink you can give us?
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:54 am

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@Fitz - Just because I've been reading and not posting doesn't mean I can't have a strong opinion. If we want to wait for Seph's replacement that's fine, I just feel that:
a) We are asking a lot of a replacement who will need to replace in, read almost 50 pages of content and then have meaningful discussion with all of us in just 2 real world days.
b) We are pretty much all in agreement, I understand wanting to hear from conftown but if it doesn't change anything then it's just a waste of time.
c) Conftown can still be wrong, and if they are and we switch to a counterwagon on their say-so, quicklynch and it flips town, that's going to suck.
d) Seph's slot was conftown based on Roy's results but why are we so sure Roy is town? I remember everyone being fairly suspicious of him and now suddenly his results on Seph makes Seph conftown, I'm not sure why we are taking Roy 100% at his word without other corroborating information.

@Stefan - I didn't miss your question but I should have responded. I'd rather not answer it right now because I don't want to give scum any ideas just prior to the night phase, and I'd also like to have the information from the flip to factor into my analysis.
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 1254, Lalendra wrote: a) We are asking a lot of a replacement who will need to replace in, read almost 50 pages of content and then have meaningful discussion with all of us in just 2 real world days.
b) We are pretty much all in agreement, I understand wanting to hear from conftown but if it doesn't change anything then it's just a waste of time.
c) Conftown can still be wrong, and if they are and we switch to a counterwagon on their say-so, quicklynch and it flips town, that's going to suck.
d) Seph's slot was conftown based on Roy's results but why are we so sure Roy is town? I remember everyone being fairly suspicious of him and now suddenly his results on Seph makes Seph conftown, I'm not sure why we are taking Roy 100% at his word without other corroborating information.

@Stefan - I didn't miss your question but I should have responded. I'd rather not answer it right now because I don't want to give scum any ideas just prior to the night phase, and I'd also like to have the information from the flip to factor into my analysis.
a) some players can pull that off.
b)+c) the reads are not only for today.
d) Roy is flipped town. Town Powerroles should never lie about their actions. We give players the benefit of a doubt re playing to win.

about the point at the @ later, when I have more time.
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:06 am

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In post 1254, Lalendra wrote:why are we so sure Roy is town?
In post 1, Not Known 15 wrote:Roy Tagliaferro,Town 2-shot Neapolitan, killed Night 3
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:10 am

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Aha, I had forgotten about that. Thank you.

Still feel that we're asking a lot from the replace-in, but as Stefan mentioned, some players can pull it off, and given that it is such a crucial role, I guess it does benefit us to wait. I just hope, as I said, that they don't lead us in the wrong direction.
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:14 am

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Hi, sorry been busy.

I will get (a) post(s) later. Promise.
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:18 am

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@Lal..I hate that you make a case for being involved and then can't recall Roy flipped town. Either faked or sad...bad either way.

If Chris is hammered before a replacement joins...the mod still has to locate one and then if the replacement bothers reading the game at night it's probably all for naught.

Pre-hammer is last chance for any input from the slot.
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:22 am

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In post 1259, havingfitz wrote:Either faked or sad...bad either way.
Unfortunately I'm not that cunning. Just forgetful and lazy.
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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:58 am

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Havo replaces Sephiroth
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:05 am

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Poof - Havo appears.......

I believe most of you know me and know I’m not a very good mafia player so you’re just gonna have to suck it up and deal with it.

I’ll be catching up in the next few hours.

I replaced in sight unseen and it’s my first ever replace in so I just jumped in.
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:08 am

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So 2 lynched townies and 1 goon.

So most likely 2 goons left?

Has there been any claims?
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:10 am

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Vote Count 4.5Havo(0)

StefanB(1) Christopher,

Christopher(3) StefanB, Lalendra, Mulch,

havingfitz(0)

Nero Cain(0)

Lalendra(0)

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Not Voting(3): Havo, Nero Cain, havingfitz,

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:57 am

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Hello Havo:
There has been claims, most important was Mulchs 1-shot Rolecop claim.
The rest of the people claimed townday (Powerroles are found in post 1 of the game under Dead)
Normally we would ask the replaced player to claim, if you read day 3 and 4 you will learn why in your case this question is not a priority.
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:01 am

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In post 1254, Lalendra wrote:@Stefan - I didn't miss your question but I should have responded. I'd rather not answer it right now because I don't want to give scum any ideas just prior to the night phase, and I'd also like to have the information from the flip to factor into my analysis.
That would be a reason normally, but in this game, I don't think the risk of giving them ideas is that much of a danger...
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:19 am

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In post 1262, Havo wrote:Poof - Havo appears.......

I believe most of you know me and know I’m not a very good mafia player so you’re just gonna have to suck it up and deal with it.

I’ll be catching up in the next few hours.

I replaced in sight unseen and it’s my first ever replace in so I just jumped in.
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:33 am

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In post 1266, StefanB wrote:
In post 1254, Lalendra wrote:@Stefan - I didn't miss your question but I should have responded. I'd rather not answer it right now because I don't want to give scum any ideas just prior to the night phase, and I'd also like to have the information from the flip to factor into my analysis.
That would be a reason normally, but in this game, I don't think the risk of giving them ideas is that much of a danger...
Well, if you and Fitz think it's a good idea, here goes.

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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:35 am

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Actually important claims:
Roys Town 2-shot Neapolitan: Identified BuJaber (dead goon) as not VT, second one is important for everyone (except perhaps to you Havo)
Mulch: 1-shot Rolecop: BuJaber is vanilla

Other townpowerrole: 5-day inocent child Mozamis like Roy dead
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:10 am

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and Lal thanks for the reads, they are helpful.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:53 am

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In post 1228, havingfitz wrote:I'd also be pretty surprised if they both did turn out to be scum.
Why?
In post 1243, havingfitz wrote:Well Nero seems to disagree with the Christopher half of your "feel".
I do? I've ISOed him and given my thoughts. I could see him flip town since doing/saying scummy things=//=scum 100% of the time. My big worry is that its Fitz and like LAL. I mean yea, I've talked about it and Fitz has given his responses but I'm just gonna be paranoid that Fitz light town reading Bujaber are scum buddies and not just town with an incorrect read.
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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:54 am

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@LAL
am I not game solving?
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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:07 am

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So I got hung up with work and life stuff yesterday and wasn’t able to dive into the game like I wanted.

But silly me I was worried this game would be so active I’d get behind. Lol.

I’ll get to it today hopefully.

But since I’m confirmed town I just need to focus on finding scum.
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:07 am

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I didn't say you weren't. As I said, my scumread of either you or Mulch is based on PoE and gut.
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