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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:51 pm
by bji
I have a list for reasons to lynch you too Sash but it is like 1/10 as long ... do you want to see them?

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:25 pm
by Sashaddin
Dude, are you a lawyer? If so, I know a family that might need guys like you soon. :lol:

Nice analysis. :idea:

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:26 pm
by Sashaddin
Oh yes, sure!

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:13 pm
by bji
Points against Sash:

- Garmr post 787 where he says he's not opposed to a Sash lynch even though
he has never said anything about Sash before. Feels like distancing.
- Garmr post 825 has a weird typo -- indicates that Garmr deleted and
rewrote that. Scum is in there. So what was he trying to trick us
with here? I think it might have been something like:
"bji, sash. Sash, clem if bji flips town" -- but then he realized
that he had recently said sash so he had to say sash again and
double down on his distancing
- Garmr and Sash literally *never* interact. That is weird. But Sash did
not interact with most players, but then, many of them weren't very
interactive themselves. Garmr had significant interaction with many
players, and some interaction with Clem, but none with Sash
- Discussion about mylo/lylo confusion and opinion about the possibility of
a modkill do not seem genuine to me. Sash has 1 fewer game than I do and
should know these things by now. I have definitely used the 'act like
you don't quite know the rules' approach as scum before, and it often works.
- Garmr around post 419 might be distancing by saying he wouldn't mind
voting Sash at a time when Sash didn't look likely to be lynched; in fact
Sash has never really looked likely to be lynched except at the end of
Day 2.
- Says repeatedly early that he needs flips and info to make reads and I was
expecting him to become more active as a result but he never did ... that's
not consistent.

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:22 pm
by bji
In essence, Sash has played a pretty clean game. There is not alot to go on in terms of scum associations with Garmr or even posting patterns that give any clear scum lean for me. Just about everything I didn't like about Sash's play could be explained by play style and time committment.

As fr Clem, the long list of reasons I gave a few posts ago are I think enough to call him the remaining scum. Some are a bit reachy/wifom-y, but taken as a whole I think the evidence is just too strong.

I'm going to give Clem until tomorrow some time to post, just in case he has some fantastic explanation that requires consideration. But barring that, that's where I will be voting tomorrow.

Sash -- if you do get the urge to vote me, please at least give me some time to respond before you hammer. If Clem votes you, I promise that I will give you time to defend yourself.

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:22 pm
by bji
No, I'm not a lawyer. I'm a computer programmer. I argue with computers all day.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:45 am
by Clemency
welp, gg i guess
great scum game by bji, i can't really refute something like that

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:52 am
by Clemency
sorry that i sucked so much this game

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:58 am
by Sashaddin
In post 1256, Clemency wrote:welp, gg i guess
great scum game by bji, i can't really refute something like that
Nice try. You won't even vote. I'll give bji the hammer, I'll be busy today.

VOTE: Clemency

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:20 am
by Clemency
okay it's sash
VOTE: sashaddin

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:38 am
by bji
Wow what an interesting situation. I have never made it to LYLO as town before. Every other time I've been to LYLO I've been scum trying to play dumb and get town to vote each other.

Here i have two players who won't even defend themselves to choose between. Feels like a coin flip to be honest. Yes the preponderance of evidence belongs to the scum!Clem case but I can't shake the feeling that the player most likely to be acting here is Sash.

I guess I will do yet one more read through ... the hammer will drop within the hour boys.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:47 am
by Clemency
bji didn't quickhammer and is therefore town = sash scum

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:22 am
by bji
I re-read the ISO (again). I won't claim that I can make any clear decision, neither player really scumhunted this game. Also he relaxed in a very odd way today when I pointed the finger so hard at Clem.

So, Clem's play seemed real and Sash's seemed like acting.

VOTE: Sashaddin

See Clem, I told you we'd be besties by the end.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:23 am
by bji
"Also he relaxed in a very odd way" I meant to say "Also Sash relaxed in a very odd way".

Sorry if I fucked up the choice everyone. It was a hard choice.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:24 am
by Clemency
hey nice we won
unless you're scum
but you wouldn't have any need to act this out if you were so
hey nice we won

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:25 am
by bji
In post 1264, Clemency wrote:hey nice we won
unless you're scum
but you wouldn't have any need to act this out if you were so
hey nice we won
Please don't troll me if you're really scum!

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:30 am
by bji
Hey Creature, your opinion really did weigh on my decision so ... I hope we won it together for town. It's a team game you know!

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:32 am
by bji
I kinda suck as town. My scum game is much better I think. But the sample size is small (8 games now) so maybe I just suck in general and am regressing to the mean ...

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:32 am
by bji
Clemency, were you scum or town? I need to know!

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:35 am
by bji
Also Clem what was post ? I almost lynched you for that. Read like a scum slip, meant to be posted in the scum daytalk thread but accidentally posted in the game thread. But I decided to ignore it.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:36 am
by bji
Also why the fuck did Clem and Sash complain all game about not having time to play or energy to play and then go off and join another game two weeks ago?

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:38 am
by bji
Here I am imagining that you guys were waiting with baited breath for my vote and then it turns out you didn't even give a shit ... explains a lot!

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:40 am
by bji
@Mod


Can you *please* be sure to open up and post all other threads related to this game? Like Scum thread, dead thread, etc?

You don't need to ask people for permission, they implicitly agree by playing the game.

I find reading these threads very important for my full enjoyment of the game. Thank you!

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:42 am
by Clemency
In post 1269, bji wrote:Also Clem what was post ? I almost lynched you for that. Read like a scum slip, meant to be posted in the scum daytalk thread but accidentally posted in the game thread. But I decided to ignore it.
it was a joke response to 903

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:42 am
by Clemency
In post 1270, bji wrote:Also why the fuck did Clem and Sash complain all game about not having time to play or energy to play and then go off and join another game two weeks ago?
i make awful decisions