Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Plotinus]

This thread is now open for postgame discussion. You can post here even if you were dead and even if you didn't play.

Btw, about this comment of mine from the dead thread:

Separately, I check the games I mod multiple times a day, and usually glance at the activity overview. in some games that I have modded, 90% of the times I happened to look, the person who was next due for a prod was scum, but this didn't necessarily transfer into who got the most prods because this kind of player would post every 34 hours or so.

After making this post, I started keeping track, and for this game, it wasn't 90%, it was 25%, and if I had kept track by dayphase, it would have been lower on the earlier days when a larger percentage of the living players were town. Let this be a lesson about what happens when you notice a trend but don't keep track of statistics: you remember the occasions that fit your trend and don't remember the ones that don't.

[DrDolittle]

Zen playing with you as scum was an excruciating experience. Like we literally had two chances to win directly: once at end day 2 hammering skit when she was at L minus 1 when jan voted and, the getting vork for an easy lylo.

And second when literally Jan said day 3 she was willing to vote skit. But no, at day 3 you decide, instead of doing fuck all like you did all game, you decide to bus on lylo, with the read "ho hum I guess voting anyone is the same", putting me at L minus 1and thereby clearing 6 mafia possible teams without me on it. I stress again when a town is openly going for another town.

I dont like playing scum and the sole saving grace is you're like on a small team and its fun to plot together in cameraderie. But your complete lack of theory + the fact that you wont acknowledge it + your blatant misplays day 2 and 3 + you literally blaming me for ???, when I had to drag myself through the mud to pull you out of getting lynched made this game unplayable for me.

Like it feels like I'm back at eleventh grade doing a group project by all alone and then someone who doesnt even know what's going on coming in to criticize you. That fucking sucked, dude.

[Zenith]

I do recall asking for advice, but don't recall refusing to listen to advice. Nor do I recall thinking that I'm infallible. Nor do I recall claiming to have perfect grasp of game theory. I mean, the main reasons I'd post ideas in pt before acting on them was to get feedback and coordinate..

I also didn't feel like i was very high risk of being lynched until 3 player lylo. I don't think you defending me was a good idea, but i guess you somehow felt more pressure on my behalf than I did? Like.. Just being at L-1 doesn't scare me when I doubt the hammer will come. I even said in my second pt post, before the game even started, to not defend me directly. I never felt like I needed defending, and said multiple times that I wasn't worried.

Sorry if my having opinions about things made you feel like you couldn't speak up and share your own or something. I would have listened to whatever you had to say. Like, I never intended for you to have an excruciating experience. If there's a next time, maybe try to communicate better? I mean we don't have to always agree. We briefly disagreed about the merits of early no lynch, where you flat out refused to hear what I presented on the topic and then you ended the discussion. I didn't understand why you seemed so aggravated, so i just apologized, let you know that I'm socially awkward, and tried to move on.

Anyways i really don't understand why playing with me was such a horrible experience. If it's because I missed a chance to hammer skitter, I didn't notice. I'm not perfect and do make mistakes. We both probably made mistakes, and I'm not upset over it because shit happens. If it's because of the bus, I didn't bus until after you were confirmed scum. If our roles were reversed, I would have probably wanted you to bus me if I were already confscum.

[Zenith]

Also, I don't really want to personally learn the game theory / current metagame. I'll learn through experience and listening to people in the games I play, but I don't intend to follow some guide or change who I am. I'm not the only piece on the board so I can leave that kind of thing to the other pieces. Would be boring if all the pieces were the same, so I'd rather be more unorthodox for the same reason I always open with m12 on the 19x19 goban.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was thinking about replacing into DDL’s slot, but Teacher beat me to the punch. I was actually fully convinced Zenith was scum by the time DDL was seeking replacement, but then i realized that DDL was totally his teammate and i’d be replacing into a scumsllt. So yeah, good thing i didn’t end up playing after all cus i’d have to defend someone i totally scumread. ^^

[Jamelia]

Playing this game was ridiculous but thank you Plotinus for running it very well. I appreciate it.

I probably won’t play much anymore because apparently I’ll just be scum read everytime for “meta reasons” thanks to Tictac.

At least town won.

[Plotinus]

Well now you have this game to point to as an example that you can play differently as town, too. But if mafia isn't fun for you then that's a good thing to realise. Games should be fun and you only have so much free time in your life. It's important to spend that free time on things that bring joy to you and others.

[Jamelia]

Well now you have this game to point to as an example that you can play differently as town, too. But if mafia isn't fun for you then that's a good thing to realise. Games should be fun and you only have so much free time in your life. It's important to spend that free time on things that bring joy to you and others.

I agree.

[tictac]

VOTE: zenith

Great job! Getting out of a game-long tunnel isn't easy.
It was fun playing w u and ya good at looking town.
there are bliz games onsite if the standard deadlines are too long for u.

@Skitt u were fun as well, even if i was paranoid of ya. i'll try not to bop ya so much in the future.

I thought zen played well. Maybe commit harder when ya bus and familiarize yerself w lylo-dynamics more.
doc was gonna go down day 3 after i voted. jan wasn't gonna go for skitt when there was confirmed scum in [tic,doc], that's silly.

Subject: Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Tictac's Notes

I think I love fancypants.
I hope I'm not just sitting in his very fancy pocket rn.
either way, I feel cozy.

lol
fancypants was extremely good at scum here. too bad he had to replace.

I probably won’t play much anymore because apparently I’ll just be scum read everytime for “meta reasons” thanks to Tictac.

yea. u don't have that meta anymore, so don't worry.
people being wrong about u is something u do have to deal with when u play mafia tho, so maybe it's not worth it for u? dunno.

[tictac]

I was thinking about replacing into DDL’s slot, but Teacher beat me to the punch. I was actually fully convinced Zenith was scum by the time DDL was seeking replacement, but then i realized that DDL was totally his teammate and i’d be replacing into a scumsllt. So yeah, good thing i didn’t end up playing after all cus i’d have to defend someone i totally scumread. ^^

i mean u could have hardbussed zen and lynched me on 3p?

[tictac]

DrDolittle is roleblocking tictac. (success: no effect)

lol

[skitter30]

Gg everyone

[Suspicious]

Yeah, not a fun game. But I am slightly validated knowing I was 100% on Zen.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nooo Jamelia

You were obvtown

Don't get scared cuz someone who couldn't read you last game couldn't read you this game either

[Plotinus]

Released the mafia PT: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81112

[PenguinPower]