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In post 1247, the worst wrote:

In post 71, Uncrowned wrote:What game are you guys referencing, just so I can view this stuff for myself?

Uncr, if you remember: what inspired you to ask this/what was your takeaway from the old game?

That was at the beginning of the game, I asked it during the Fish/Chib/Teacher interactions that were going on, as Fish pointed out that Chib was asking RQS questions that were similar to what Teacher/Chib had used in a previous game where they were scum together.

I asked it so I could check the game for myself and see what FF was referencing. After checking the Teacher/Chib scum PT it turned out it was a good connection made by FF and it's the reason I had him as one of my early TLs, since I don't think a scum would've bothered to go out of their way to check something like that.

I didn't actually read the entirety of the old game, I only read the relevant parts of the scum PT to see what Fish and the other two were discussing.

In post 1249, the worst wrote:JACKSON VIRGO WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR.

i'm working thru this i'm sorry; i think i'm voting uncrowned ultimately aorn but i'm not quite there yet

Take your time, we have a few days.
And right now it'd be black but if you consider that a shade over a color, it'd be dark red

Woah, uncr you're alive woo

In post 1249, the worst wrote:JACKSON VIRGO WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR.

i'm working thru this i'm sorry; i think i'm voting uncrowned ultimately aorn but i'm not quite there yet

I think you're falling for AtE over actual play but I can see why it's difficult to see that from your pov

In post 1252, JacksonVirgo wrote:Woah, uncr you're alive woo

Yeaaaaahhh boiiii had a big sleep. Woke up and everyone in my house is gone and it's a fucking oven inside of here. My bro didn't even leave the air conditioner on for me ):

In post 1254, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 1252, JacksonVirgo wrote:Woah, uncr you're alive woo

Yeaaaaahhh boiiii had a big sleep. Woke up and everyone in my house is gone and it's a fucking oven inside of here. My bro didn't even leave the air conditioner on for me ):

Our air-con overheats and I can't use it anymore and it's boiling all the time, I know the pain lol

Forewarning, I'll be out for a few hours this afternoon, girlfriend is coming over. So ask any random question and I will get to it when I can

In post 244, Uncrowned wrote:My reads thus far

Town Leans

Datisi

- Liked his slot when Salad was playing it. Unvoted me when fast wagon occured, seemed like a town play. Questions and digs for info in his posts.

FormerFish

- Aggressive townplay imo, made a good connection in post 118 between bugspray's former slot (Chib) and a past game they had played.

Teacher

- I like the logic behind post 102 with the whole idea of "how does this benefit town?". I'm leaning toward Teacher/Fish being a TvT situation.

Gardenia

- After reading back, I like post 150 - except for including Fish in the trio, since he voted Teacher way before back on Page 1. I believe the vote on me was when we started "redoing" the RVS.

i'd like to crack your brain open on this one
your reads were overexplainy (which i understand is part of your playstyle; that's fine)

the way you've overexplained the datisi/fishy reads is by kind of overqualifying things which aren't really town indicative. e.g. datisi unvoting you isn't towny; i don't really think the connection you mentioned by fishy was all that pro-solvey, just kinda... a thing he said; teacher's "how does this benefit town?" thing is basically a policy stance and doesn't like, show him trying to parse people's alignments, just assists the game into advancing into more interesting states

your read on gard is more in the style of "i like xyz about post 150, but not z" and you've kinda...found an excuse for her dodgy vote (also a sidenote that she listed 3 now-flipped townies as scumreads, but elected to vote you who was not one of her scumreads)

sorry if this is waffly, tryna post fast, BUT:
the read you've described on gardenia is more consistent with the style of your nullreads in this readlist imo. i'm just kinda wondering what inspired you to lift gardenia into your town tier given it sounds like you still had concerns about her play? do you make much of her voting you at the expense of pushing one of her 3 scumreads?

also given fish was like regularly insisting people voted teacher it wasn't surprising to me at all that she included him in the trio

if you could try and lean back into where your mind was at for this i'd appreciate it.



btw: in LyLo it's pretty rare i lean into AtE, generally only if i'm super bored of the game. and i'm feeling spicy here. don't worry about me giving into AtE; i'll be assessing your play this game and making the call from that

Not Voting hasn't been hammered yet, pretty sure they're confscum

In post 1259, the worst wrote:Not Voting hasn't been hammered yet, pretty sure they're confscum

Genius

You're making her vote a big deal, but that vote was immediately when we restarted RVS. You weren't in the game for that, but after the first 5-10 pages or so it was a general consensus that the game wasn't going anywhere and we decided as a group to go back to the beginning. That's why I didn't make anything of the vote.

Datisi unvoting me felt like a townie move to me since he was one of the people who felt like he was leading the game, and yet he wasn't willing to put a fast vote on me along with others. He wanted to slow down the game and gather more info, which is exactly what I wanted to do during that phase as well.

These are all very early game reads, so I have to take what I was given. Out of everything that was said, I liked the connection that Fish made and thought it was a decent link, even if you don't think it solved much. From what I understand on this site, a big part of the game for some people is looking at player meta and what other players do in their prior games, so that to me felt like a smart move made by a town player.

Same thing with Teacher. We were at a super early stage of the game and I liked his interactions up until that point. In my reads I wanted to have at least some reason rather than use what other people had in their reads list like "I just had a feeling" or "They feel good to me". I was taking what little we had to work with and tried to analyse it.

I lifted Gardenia into my town tier since I was swayed by Teacher's reasoning for why he thought she was town. Yes, I still had my concerns about her, but that can go both ways. Some of Gyro's ending posts gave me slight doubts about keeping my vote on him, but I ultimately kept him as my SL. There were few players I was 100% sure of. I even said I wasn't entirely sure of Fish at a few points, but I thought his aggressive play was more likely to come from town. My style was to balance actions taken by players and determine which side I thought they were more likely to be on.

In post 1255, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 1254, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 1252, JacksonVirgo wrote:Woah, uncr you're alive woo

Yeaaaaahhh boiiii had a big sleep. Woke up and everyone in my house is gone and it's a fucking oven inside of here. My bro didn't even leave the air conditioner on for me ):

Our air-con overheats and I can't use it anymore and it's boiling all the time, I know the pain lol

This is the saddest thing I've heard all day ):

Mine works but it only hits like one area of the house, so if I'm down the other end I'm pretty much gonna die.

Man, I miss winter.

@Uncrowned, votes are pretty important. when push comes to shove dayplay orientates around voting..if you aren't using your vote for something, your dayplay is automatically more superficial than someone who is endorsing/pushing wagons. same goes for both alignments.
gardenia chose to vote you while pretending to scumread three town-aligned players, and it's currently my job to make an educated guess at why she did that. it's either because you're town and she thought she could get you lynched/look towny off voting you. or it's because you're aligned with her and she wanted to seem unaligned. it's probably the most substantial part of gardenia's iso.

responses are duly noted - i'm getting a general feeling from you as though you think i'm scumreading you for largely unfair reasons (disregarding the fact that you know your own alignment, and whether i'm correct or not is sadly a postgame discussion only)...do you think that's fair? do you feel as though i'm pushing back on you for silly things?

I get why you think it's important, and looking at her ISO it is pretty glaring when compared to everything else in it. I just think there's a bit too much weight being placed on it, especially when I feel like there's similar things that I've pointed out alignment wise that have either gone ignored by you, or you've seen them and just haven't chosen to mention them yet.

In the above I'm specifically mentioning the JV bus attempt on Eth0s in D2. You point out Gardenia voting me when she had multiple other SLs, but JV swinging Eth0s' slot all the way from a decent TL to being on his scum team all of a sudden seems more obvious. Maybe I'm the only one seeing it.

I also think you're slightly taking the vote out of context. I understand why you think it's a big deal, but look at all the posts made by other people that were placed during that period. Gyro, Marionette, Chib and Salad also made votes that fall under this category, but they get no mention. Gyro in particular was disliking myself and your predecessor at the time, but he put his vote on Gardenia anyways. If you look at the context of the game and what state we were in at the time, the vote is meh and not really worth mentioning, which is why I disregarded it.

In post 373, JacksonVirgo wrote:Gardenia - They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.

and now your turn for torture fire questions via duck, JV:

can you revisit Gard's ISO up to here and talk me through why she was one of your strongest townreads? she joined teacher and my slot in a tier and i'm not sure teacher's alignment when making a policy-related post in another game really fills me with a lot of confidence.

i don't want you to stretch your brain until it hurts but i'd like you to revisit where your mind was at in as much detail as possible, please.

@ducky, I can't go into it much right now. I will try and get to it as soon as I possibly can

no pressure my new friend. we got time. i'mma keep doin my thing.

good people, moderators and spectators of newbie 1963 (if they exist): i have made my decision.

i'll be hammering in a couple of days max. if you have anything you'd like to say before i lay down the hammer, please say it soon.

i think i've done enough legwork and pondered enough

goin for a pagetop for draaaaamaa

so you're both super dangerous. clearly you both have enough experience to set up a 3p like this but i've seen both associative and agenda tells from one slot which i *think* outweigh those i've seen from the other.

i've documented a final exhaustive reread in a PT which i'll release postgame

just one final prayer for guidance to some awesome scummers

skitter30... may your lylo towning brilliance guide my reread [maybe i should have said this before i started? ah well]
radiantcowbells... may your suggestion to hammer your townread in f3 come in handy
to gyro, bugs, and all the dead of Newbie 1963... i hope that this avenges you all

here goes.........

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