Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Isis]

I obvtowned in that game and haven't obvtowned in this one, at least not yet. You should take your chances when they come instead of after

[Galron]

Triad required more caution. One bad vote and the game falls apart. Here, we get at least two mis-lynches to figure things out. No need to solve the game on day 1 or 2, just make some progress. I was sweating bullets with turkey awol at the end and everyone acting scummy. We didn't have the luxuries in that game we're afforded here.

[Galron]

And if I understand you correctly, even though I eventually made the correct decision in that game, you're telling me I'm too late in this one, which I'm not sure I quite get.

[Isis]

IT WAS THE WRONG REASONS

[Isis]

why are you playing like your 5th game on the same secret alt
what's up wtih that?

[Galron]

I like this avatar.

[bob3141]

Will be catching up later today

[Fredrick A Campbell]

geraintm has been prodded. It will count as an official prod in (expired on 2020-07-19 17:24:00). I will start looking for a replacement if he doesn't post in (expired on 2020-07-20 17:24:00).

[geraintm]

we have too many players sitting back and not voting; not taking stances.

this concerns me.

Geraintm doesn't do weekends. Bellaphant is vla. Not defenses, just pointing out I'm not surprised.

Floppy and Bob, yeah. It would be swell if they were into the game.

Yes, weekends are very patchy for me.

Right now Bella is where I am going to go back to on Monday, along with reads of the rest of you. Bob...hasn't felt super scummy so far but might change on a proper read

[geraintm]

we have too many players sitting back and not voting; not taking stances.

this concerns me.

Geraintm doesn't do weekends. Bellaphant is vla. Not defenses, just pointing out I'm not surprised.

Floppy and Bob, yeah. It would be swell if they were into the game.

Yes, weekends are very patchy for me.

Right now Bella is where I am going to go back to on Monday, along with reads of the rest of you. Bob...hasn't felt super scummy so far but might change on a proper read

[bob3141]

Is there any kind of case on bob cause my skim didn’t pick up anything

none at all. All replacement could coem up with after much probbing is that i scum read gerain, while he didnt.

He never could explain how he excluded any possibility that i was simply another town having a different read on gerain to him. Instead comign straight to the conclusion


He even tried to dismiss his scum intent to hammer hoopla. Even though to date he had barley mentioned a player he just offered to hammer. He even omgused by saying i haven't interacted much with another player. Even though I most certainly had not offered any hammer.

He votes popo without a moment's hesitation. Even though he only ever gave a one lien reason for his earlier vote on him. Which fits a pattern a lot of talk but no reasoning behind it.

[bob3141]

Like take his only other reason. The stupidest reason of all that I've ever seen. There are bad reasons but it was just absurd.


It was that the points of a few of my posts had been broken up. Somehow he tried to string something out of that. Like a 30 sec check of my meta would have shown him that every single game has paragraphs and separate points separated by 2 or more lines.


Even got snarky after I called him out for it.

[bob3141]

I believe that Replacement for Sujimichi looks good upon a popopo red flip, and I do want to bump-off popopopo, so why not lynch popopopopo before Replacement for Sujimichi? I believe at this point if popopopopopo flips red we have a lot of information to work off of, anyway. And if he flips green? Well, it's not like Replacement for Sujimichi or Geraintm give more information than popopopopopo anyway, right?

Gerain and replacement had motive to kill dun

[bob3141]

I don't particularly feel that Emperor flippynips is scum, and I don't agree with thinking Klick gets mad there as a result of being scum with flippy

flippy and klick did not

[bob3141]

I still don’t like bobs stance re me it reads fake as fuck

I don’t like hoops but it’s bad play to clown before tomorrow

I wanted to go for bella but hoops pushing it leaves a bad taste in my mouth

I like your posting in general

Flippys been too absent for my liking

There you have answered your own point. If it feels fake it cant possibly be fake. If i was scum i wouldnt have done lazy write upto question i find rather pointless. As scum i never miss a chance to manipulate a player


Basically my read on you is that you could either be town or underhand scum trying to deep wolf. Now I might be just being paranoid on that but will only be able to tell with a few more flips.

[bob3141]

He didn’t even go after anyone on the wagon he went after gera who literally just agreed with the wagon it’s so weird. You think he’d go for someone on the wagon because in theory assuming bob is town statistically 1 person on the wagon should be scum but he ignored it altogether to push gera lol

why did you think i would think one scum must have been on my wagon?


All town wagons are common thing in the first 4 days. So why do you think my first thought would be to scum read someone the wagon.

[bob3141]

@hoops his level of engagement with the game. As bob said he is taking stances way earlier than normal and I take it as a town trying to be better d1.

Could be white knighting

[bob3141]

to the people calling the geraintm "ass": is this stemming from reading geraintm behaviourally or distrusting the constituents of the wagon itself?

I think he's town for reasons Ive elaborated on before and I replied to this part while im at work. I also think its naive to assume a RVS wagon that got to 5 would have no scum on it and I'm a little concerned you think everyone is town as well.

when i witness someone seeing the game through the same lens as me early - though through independent means - it's often a good sign.

I like this stance even though i didnt agree with it.

this sequence is good. i think town is more likely to show restraint/concern here given a bob-vote could have easily been justified by popo-scum (assuming bob is town).

It is damning if bob flips scum later however. Not worth talking about now though.

Geraintm looks obvtown to me. The wagon is indeed ass.

I like drunk klick drunk klick is goodposting and I agreed with pretty much the entire post I just snipped

notscience and klick were the latest adopters of the bob-wagon - both slots i am wary of.

dunnstral was the first bob vote i remember disliking, flippy being more neutral. but the fact that notscience and klick got on there too. literally the last four voters of bob were suss.

how coincidental.

more likely, it was scum-pushed.

Yeah but Id stated in advance why i liked the wagon and i dont really think it was a secret on why i was there.

This feels like roping in last minute to justify departing the wagon.

i'm nervous that i drew town with a bunch of passive townies afraid of taking on the big dogs of the game. there's only so much heavy lifting i can do, and my vote is currently hard at work.

Who are the big dogs? Me, you, Klick, Una?

I don't think its entirely justified assuming all the vocal players are scummy and it feels way more paranoid than I expected. I guess it can kinda make sense what with the scum leaking in to the townbloc, but I kinda want

@Klick

to take a second look when sober.

The problem I'm having with you right now, aside from coming to wildly different conclusions on almost everything that's happened so far, is that it almost feels like you've set up a narrative that you'd like today to go by, in a way that doesn't feel entirely guided by your reads like last game. I can see this coming from you as town (and feel free to state if that is indeed something you're doing here), but I feel like there's more clear and obvious motivation for it to come from scum.

I can kinda see it I feel like her view of the gamestate feels very inorganic compared to what i expected

could be you trying to shade popo. You tie me and popo together based on popo town reading me. You jump straight to the conclusion that a scum me would equate to scum popo based on flimsy reasoning. When both alignments are equaly with both a scum me and a town me. You fail to take account of teh fact that popops was generaly lurking and not posting much.

Also it was quote on post you badly misquoted klick. His posts was about how he thought my wagon was scum motivated. Yet you talk about if bob flips scum.

[notscience]

Ah yes, I’ll take “bs retrospective comments to justify my bullshit read” for 400, Alex

[notscience]

He didn’t even go after anyone on the wagon he went after gera who literally just agreed with the wagon it’s so weird. You think he’d go for someone on the wagon because in theory assuming bob is town statistically 1 person on the wagon should be scum but he ignored it altogether to push gera lol

why did you think i would think one scum must have been on my wagon?


All town wagons are common thing in the first 4 days. So why do you think my first thought would be to scum read someone the wagon.

As I said on that very quote you linked- there were four people on your wagon. Assuming you were town that means 3/12 are scum, and that boils down to 1/4.

[Porkens]

Hm

[notscience]

@hoops his level of engagement with the game. As bob said he is taking stances way earlier than normal and I take it as a town trying to be better d1.

Could be white knighting

Yeah but frankly scum-me has no reason to derail what- based off your theory here- would be a mislynch.

Yeah I get some I told you so’s down the line. But isn’t it way easier for scum me to get involved or passively disagree instead of actively?

[notscience]

could be you trying to shade popo. You tie me and popo together based on popo town reading me. You jump straight to the conclusion that a scum me would equate to scum popo based on flimsy reasoning. When both alignments are equaly with both a scum me and a town me. You fail to take account of teh fact that popops was generaly lurking and not posting much.

Also it was quote on post you badly misquoted klick. His posts was about how he thought my wagon was scum motivated. Yet you talk about if bob flips scum.

I said in a throwaway comment you being scum means he does but it only mattered if you were- and said not to worry about it until we get to that point (similar to how I was re the traitor last game!). I wasn’t actively pushing it because yes, it was flimsy and something to reconsider after flips. And yes, popo was lurking but I’ve never played with the dude and al I have was his posts here to go off of.

And him calling the wagon ass was about gera’s wagon- and people can go back and check. Now who’s misrepping klick?

VOTE: bob

[notscience]

Klicks comment that I supposedly misrepped was literally klick agreeing with something I’d already said.

[notscience]

Geras town hop the fuck off

What the fuck are you all doing while I’m asleep

Regardless I’m not backing down re gera this wagon is ass