Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

[Bell]

My reads ain't moving much.

I would rethink Spiffeh, Cakez, he's either town or this is scum him on a good day I guess.

@Bm, Why do you want more reads lists?

[Bell]

Summary of math's recent posts: "Please change your mind LLD."

Is that an unfair, reductionist argument?

[MathBlade]

My reads ain't moving much.

I would rethink Spiffeh, Cakez, he's either town or this is scum him on a good day I guess.

@Bm, Why do you want more reads lists?

Remind me of your Titus read?

Pedit: Very unfair, but I kinda don’t want to explain it. I’d rather you scumread me.

[MathBlade]

The part I should explain is trying to stop TVT fighting and getting people to work on a wagon they can all agree with.

While trying to smack LLD with constant reminders of hey silly still town here and still wrong and will elim scum despite you not noticing the obvious.

[Bell]

I am struggling to articulate a read on Titus that doesn't involve a hilarious amount of speculation.
I think a good summary would be conflicted.

She was a scum read earlier, just because while she was kind of repeating the same dance with you, it felt different. I articulated that she felt off.
She still feels off. What does that mean? I dunno. Shouldn't I have something better by now? Probably.

[GreyICE]

@LLD Like I've had a few hours to step back and realize how hurtful I was, and if you'd said the same to me I'd be pretty miserable about it myself. We both know what it's like for people to call us toxic even when we aren't trying to be, or to get the wrong impression of us. I know you don't intend to upset people or act toxic, and I know this because I don't either. And if you'd leveled an accusation at me like I did, I'd have been hurt too.

I'll play with you anytime. Just not thinking clearly the last day or two, not that that's an excuse for being hurtful.

Pedit: the fever was a side effect from the second dose of the vaccine, I already had Covid in January but it's only been about three weeks since I recovered, so the vaccine effects hit a lot harder

Goddamn it, I don't play Mafia for these warm, fuzzy, heartwarming emotions. What is this rampant degeneracy?

Mod: I demand better! I signed up for blood, gore, and veins in my teeth. I want to eat burnt dead bodies. I want to kill! KILL! WARN THESE DEGENERATES FOR THEIR RAMPANT GOOD FEELINGS AND MATURITY

[Bell]

The part I should explain is trying to stop TVT fighting and getting people to work on a wagon they can all agree with.

While trying to smack LLD with constant reminders of hey silly still town here and still wrong and will elim scum despite you not noticing the obvious.

We all worked on a wagon that we all agreed with, scum would agree with it too.
I can tell that you are trying to smack LLD, which is just that. "It's a please change your mind, I tried the carrot. Now I shall try the stick." But it just feels clumsy to me.

[Bell]

The second dose of the vaccine triggers a stronger immune response, unfortunately(well, not unfortunately, that's the point, but too strong and you end up with...Kuribo fever).

[MathBlade]

The part I should explain is trying to stop TVT fighting and getting people to work on a wagon they can all agree with.

While trying to smack LLD with constant reminders of hey silly still town here and still wrong and will elim scum despite you not noticing the obvious.

We all worked on a wagon that we all agreed with, scum would agree with it too.
I can tell that you are trying to smack LLD, which is just that. "It's a please change your mind, I tried the carrot. Now I shall try the stick." But it just feels clumsy to me.

You’ll be facepalming post game and that’s all I have to say on that.

[Titus]

Working on my catchup now. It's going to be interrupted at points. Bear with me. I'm using a couple hours before my doctor's appointment.

[Spiffeh]

I would rethink Spiffeh

Stopped reading and disregarded the rest of this post.

[Spiffeh]

That was kinda mean sry

I just think I should be obviously Town to anyone who's seen my last three scum games firsthand like YOU have.

[MathBlade]

Hey Spiffeh I am wavering on my Bell townread.

Is that a bad thing?

Oh and what do you think of Titus?

[Titus]

Sircakez, Battle Mage, GreyIce, and yourself

This is resistance to mathblade, not all are ok with going titus as well; most are instead tunneled on me to a frankly unrealistic degree

Sangres is honorarily ont he list because they keep directing questions at me while supposedly suspecting Mathblade but it doesn't have the same feel

I could buy Sangres as scum, particularly in the T v T v T scenario. I expect Nacho and ffery to have more of a presence with the posts they do make.

Because where I'm coming from, in the event that MathBlade is scum (which I highly highly doubt atm), it's a little hard to believe that any scum would fight for him at this point when he's dug himself a huge hole?

I would expect scum to bus him into the ground here instead of risk themselves trying to save him. And I think you're smart enough to be able to see that too.

I expect scum to be on the back of the Math wagon if he's town. I doubly expect the crowd to start a push to end the day if we get a non-Math push on scum. If Math is scum, I expect equal dispersement between early and late. There is still the caveat that scum will blitz bus if we get a wagon on his partner.

As long as LLD is claiming mason and is going to take control of the game, I'm not going to be the wagon for today unless there is strong disagreements from multiple members of the town

This type of attitude is just yucky regardless of alignment. It's a reminder that some votes matter more because of who is talking rather than what is being said. It's toxic and demotivating. Why should I bother posting if my posts won't be respected? I have other games where my effort matters.

[Bell]

I would rethink Spiffeh

Stopped reading and disregarded the rest of this post.

It's too bad, given that was me telling him to town read you.

[Spiffeh]

Lol it is too bad then

That's what I get for being a jerk

[Titus]

Sircakez, Battle Mage, GreyIce, and yourself

This is resistance to mathblade, not all are ok with going titus as well; most are instead tunneled on me to a frankly unrealistic degree

Sangres is honorarily ont he list because they keep directing questions at me

while supposedly suspecting Mathblade

but it doesn't have the same feel

What?

We've been settled on a Mathblade townread since before the afternoon phase started, and I don't think Nacho ever had a scumread on Math.

We voted you last night.

Nacho told LLD that we'd to Titus if she'll vote there.

And then I moved our vote from you to Titus when Greyice voted there. That was a very comfortable move to make, not only because Nacho had already indicated he'd vote there, but also because my scumread of you has weakened over your content over the last 24 hours. I pushed you on your comments about people giving us too easy townreads because it was one of my points of concern, and I didn't absolutely hate your responses to that.

I have some vague feels that Math's page 30 posts sounded a little too "look how I'm not caring if I get miselimed", but the preponderance of his posts, particularly interactions with Titus and Bell, feel town to Nacho, and I'm very comfortable going along with that.


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@Math, I'm EXTREMELY uncomfortable with your post count burn rate in a page-restricted game.

This type of posting is why I feel sangres can be scum.

They're objecting to me, yet sheeping my opinion about Mathblade's post rate. He gives no real reason for his objection to me and tries to pass the buck off onto LLD for their read.

They're seeking a popular miselimination to be safe on. If Math is group scum, turbo lim this. If Math is traitor, major FoS. If Math is town, minor FoS as he could be leaving/creating an out to vote Math when convienent.

[Titus]

@LLD - 871, What? I expected anger there but I guess you're rather self-assured. You and I both know you lied about being a mason as scum before. Yet, you seem to be shocked by my suspicion towards your slot. I detest being lied to and having my words be worthless because I know you lie without hesitation. I want you to actually show respect towards slots like Spiffeh who I have as locktown even if you hate me.

Catchup soon count:

Mastina! (with bonus offer of lynching her... so tempting)
Tammy!
Kitty Trauma Team! (With bonus for there's two of them)

guyz I have a free money bet
not three green

My townread here is gone.

Mastina has consistently been behind in all her games.
Mala has just returned and is getting used to the game flow.
Tammy frequently falls behind. It's NAI for her.

There's no reason to think one of these slots must be scum for falling behind.

End of 36. Brb

[SirCakez]

My reads ain't moving much.

I would rethink Spiffeh, Cakez, he's either town or this is scum him on a good day I guess.

@Bm, Why do you want more reads lists?

why?

[Titus]

Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

Baah!

VOTE: Prism

I reserve the right to change this to a more useful place after my catchup but I like this case based on flavor.

I'll be watching for Mathblade's reaction to this post since he says he's a flavor expert.

At this point the thread is going to be pissed off when I flip town and bicker at each other. This is the first time I have /inned to a game in a year+ and the biggest thing I have learned is just to never /in and replace in always. And that’s sad.

You’re still scum Pooky.

Math is too busy looking at politics rather than engaging with the substance of what anyone is thinking. He's posting multiple stream of consciousness posts which actually don't make him more readable.

You know what would have made him more readable? Engaging with the substance of mastina's case using the flavor knowledge he bragged about. Instead, his posts are more about what he WANTS to be true. There's no thought process anyone can track because it's too scattershot.

That scattershot posting dominates the thread, making it hard to fathom questions that can help establish relationships between players without using a lot of posts to catch people's attention. I think there's a decent chance Math flips town here but with the artificial cap and lying LLD in charge, I don't care to fight it because we need to actually get to an environment where scumhunting is possible.

VOTE: pooky
here my Dunn vote is stale and Pooky's posting lately has been truly terrible

I can see a Prism Cakez scumteam here with Cakez 846 and 847. There's an appeal to Pooky's posts being terrible, which is untrue.

It could be an appeal to Mathblade to disrupt his good reads to push him to target Pooky.

[Titus]

Like she's not town.
I know she's not town.
It's just not a wagon that's going to succeed today, and I'd like to play a game with my wife where something stupid doesn't happen day 1.
If I'm dead tonight come back to this plox

Not sure if LLD is scum. I would policy them for lying but there's an off chance they aren't and outing the other mason would be a disaster. I doubt LLD is though and I hate how manipulative that claim was.

I want to see what SorCakez does with the meta request he made of Prism.

[SirCakez]

I want to see what SorCakez does with the meta request he made of Prism.

I was going to dig through them to see if his scum game is like this one but I haven't gotten to it

[Titus]

Like she's not town.
I know she's not town.
It's just not a wagon that's going to succeed today, and I'd like to play a game with my wife where something stupid doesn't happen day 1.
If I'm dead tonight come back to this plox

I'm town Charlie.

Towwwwwwwwwwwwn

come to candy mountain charlieeeee

it's full of town candy charlieeeeee

Also I swear to god anyone else claims mason and it's YEP THAT'S A MASON ALRIGHT

I claim mason and it's REMEMBER THAT ONE TIME LLD CLAIMED MASON AS SCUM AND THEN SHOT THE TOWNIE WHO WAS FAKING IT WITH HER WITH A JANITOR KILL TO DISGUISE IT AND WON A GAME.

I swear I'll never live down those moments.

Then why do you treat me like shit for calling you out on it?

Afternoon Vote Count 1.04

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes bronze.

Dunnstral (4): , SirCakez, quiet, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
PookyTheMagicalBear(1): MathBlade
Titus (2): GreyICE, sangres

Not voting (5): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Kitty Trauma Team, mastina, Prism


Mod notes: 35/85 pages used

Afternoon Vote Count 1.05

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes bronze.

Dunnstral (3): quiet, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
Titus (2): GreyICE, sangres
SirCakez (2): mastina, Kitty Trauma Team
Prism (1): MathBlade
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): SirCakez

Not voting (3): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Prism


Mod notes: 37/85 pages used

Bell,LLD, Pooky, Titus, and Dunn’s votes have just sat on me, and BM’s move onto me is sus as FUCK.
Mastina’s sircakez vote and shit is terrible.

My guess is BM/Titus/(Prism/Mastina/Bork)/??? Maybe quiet

Tammy Cakez and Bell and Spiffeh are obvious town.
Sangres if that bit earlier was a slip then replace then the ??? is them and replace with Prism
Kitty miiiight be scum but I horribly doubt it.

Game is damn near solved. Fucking do something with votes if you’re town.
VOTE: Titus

I don't think Math has a single read right other than maybe Prism.

Mathblade's arrogance in being wrong is common for town him. That makes his inability to work with people even more problematic as he'll be an extra scum vote either way.

This is ordered t->s within the buckets, ie. bottom of scumleans is the worst of the bunch

Safely town
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Spiffeh
Tammy
Bell

Pretty town
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Battle Mage
bork
sangres (Last three could really go in any order)
SirCakez

My Only Townlean That's a Mason Claim anyway
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LLD

MathBlade
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MathBlade

Null and/or hasn't played the game up to Page 30
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GreyICE
Pooky
quiet
mastina

Scumleans
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Dunnstral
Titus
Kitty Trauma Team

That pretty town is pretty scum infested. I can't see why Prism has Cakez so high when Cakez did zero with that meta request from before.

on a non-mathblade point, it's interesting how many people seem to be throwing Titus' name in near the bottom of their reads. ordinarily i'd say maybe it indicates some distancing, but last time it happened Titus was just town.

I actually don't have a problem with most of them (although scum are capitalizing). This game is more of a chore because of how demotivated I am. Day 1 sucks. Day 1 where you're discredited out the gate and there's an artifical limit to scumhunting sucks worse. The best thing to do in a situation where you suck day 1 is to sit back too. This leaves a picture of scummy Titus.

math is trying to solve a puzzle and the pieces are coming together (albeit in a way that i'm not super following the verbiage of) and is probably town

Okay, I get math thinks there's a flavor puzzle. I'm just not following why someone should have a grappling hook and stuff.

If flavor determines what artifacts you start with wouldn't flavor claiming be bad? I looked up my guy in the wiki and I think I'd say my start with artifacts matches my flavor.

I mean I'm happy to let people work, at worst it gives us some insight into Mathblade and hopefully some extra scum. I'd just like to be able to decypher this train at some point.

If Math thinks there's a flavor puzzle, why doesn't he analyze mastina's Prism case deeper?

My scum reads are Cakez, Prism, Titus

Town reads are Math, LLD, probably GreyICE

Now leave me the fuck alone, last warning

Kuribo is in my locktown. Aside from his SR on me, his scumreads are mine.

[Titus]

I want to see what SorCakez does with the meta request he made of Prism.

I was going to dig through them to see if his scum game is like this one but I haven't gotten to it

Well, why not do it now? You asked for it, so you should do it. Give me a strong conclusion.