Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

Titus · Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:53 am

In post 1249, Infinity 324 wrote:Titus what did you think dann was going to claim?

No clue tbh. I have been disconnected from the game for days.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:07 am

Ok

Over the night phase I ISOd you and salsa, and decided salsa was townier, there were a couple things I thoughts were towny from you, like your JV vote on d2, and I thought it would be weird to say that you knew what partner would claim. It makes more sense that dann was set up to be bussed, because otherwise you would just tell him to...not claim VT. It's possible that you killed salsa to make me suspicious of toog given that I implied it would make me sus of toog yesterday, but I don't think that's likely

Titus · Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:16 am

I admit I did nothing over this night phase. My schedule opened up this afternoon so I should be able take a look at VCA and or reread.

Toogeloo · Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:48 am

It makes zero sense that I would night kill Salsabil as scum. They had me as conftown. I would have more than likely eliminated Infinity, tried to pass it off as protection fear, and put Titus and Salsabil against each other with a fake claim.

Like, what is my motivation to kill Salsabil last night?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:49 am

In post 1248, Infinity 324 wrote:I think toog wanted a believable explanation for what happened last night

This is exactly the reaction I figured you would have btw

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Toogeloo · Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:07 am

V/LA starts now.

Titus · Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:48 am

Looking at the votes, I'm inclined to think Toog since Infinity has more of a presence on voting scum but Dannflor did spend the day before he was a wet fish voting Toog. I'll need to dig in for more context.

Titus · Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:52 am

Toog, what was your result and why didn't you claim it at start?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:33 pm

In post 1257, Titus wrote:Toog, what was your result and why didn't you claim it at start?

In post 1246, Toogeloo wrote:I scanned Salsabil last night as it turns out, and got a positive movement result, which I know looks "convenient."

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:35 pm

Toog, why didn't titus tell dann to claim something other than VT?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:15 pm

Why would I know that?

Better question, why wouldn't Dann counter or fight me after my claim in order to further distance us?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:58 am

I'll get to this today

Titus · Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:46 am

I think we're in a stalemate right now.

Titus · Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:48 am

I also think Dann flopped to avoid associatives because distancing would look fake.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:50 am

Why did you suspect salsa yesterday?

Titus · Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:03 pm

In post 1264, Infinity 324 wrote:Why did you suspect salsa yesterday?

That's what the votes told me. Their flail looked to be trying to set up whichever was convenient out of me/you. Their Toog was conftown bit was pretty bad, as nothing they quoted showed Toog was conftown. I figured they were buddying Toog to secure the last vote.

Titus · Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:43 am

In post 1253, Toogeloo wrote:It makes zero sense that I would night kill Salsabil as scum. They had me as conftown. I would have more than likely eliminated Infinity, tried to pass it off as protection fear, and put Titus and Salsabil against each other with a fake claim.

Like, what is my motivation to kill Salsabil last night?

No one should have killed S from my PoV as I strongly favored eliminating them publicly. It doesn't make sense to me.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:12 pm

I think I'm changing my mind, will elaborate tomorrow

Noraa · Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:36 pm

Halfway mark guys!

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:25 am

Toog why did you motion detect salsa?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:25 am

I ISO'd toog and I kinda can't see their ISO as anything but yowm

Titus · Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 am

What caused your switch there?

Toogeloo · Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:45 am

My apologies for the long absence.

In post 1266, Titus wrote:No one should have killed S from my PoV as I strongly favored eliminating them publicly. It doesn't make sense to me.

If killing Salsa benefitted no one, wouldn't that make them the optimal night kill for someone stuck in a corner?

In post 1269, Infinity 324 wrote:Toog why did you motion detect salsa?

I wasn't going to scan you in the possibility you were bluffing, so I figured it didn't matter who I picked between Salsa and Titus and just picked one. I remember thinking I had a 66% chance of getting a positive result, and I even stated in my night action to Noraa that I was probably taking that result to my grave.

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Titus, can you give me your impressions of Infinity and I right now? You seem to be playing a waiting game on Infinity to decide the game, and I want to hear your thoughts. Have you done any ISOs of either of us?

I ISO'd Infinity a couple game days ago, after their claim, around the time I disagreed with the balance of it. Their Day 1 is spent in a 1v1 scuffle with MC, their Day 2 was ok up until the tie breaking vote on Ari v. Flea, and then after that they spent the rest of the game going with the status quo. They had early votes on JV/Dann when there was no pressure on that slot, Day 1 and Day 2, but they did vote Dann out the gate on Day 3 before we did the mass claim.

Your ISO is a bit more barren. You don't take many stances in the game, and with the exception of one naked vote on JV in Day 1, you haven't voted for a flipped scum at all. It wasn't until Day 5 that you really even had a presence in the game.

Titus · Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:11 am

@Toog, If Infinity was bluffing, then wouldn't that out him as scum?

As for the criticism that my ISO is barren in the midgame, that's fair. I had a lot of VLAs and issues site wide.

As for the suggestion that I killed S because I was backed into a corner makes no sense. Killing my scum suspect would only back me more into a corner. The confusion and the mid game ISO are why I am here in lylo despite being the night one clear.

I don't really do ISOs but right now I am leaning towards Infinity. His last posts feel like shopping and S did take the time to specifically ISO him before death, the claim doesn't make sense and is awfully convienent as he couldn't prove his claim on later days.

Your claim makes more sense, but isn't proven. If you got a proven result, the game would be solved for me and you. A non proven result benefits you as scum, but can be true as town. Your vote history makes me suspect you more but my vote analysis lead me to S before.

I'm going to have to do some more work here but I am not sure what. I likely won't be ISOing because I feel that takes too much time for too little results.

Titus · Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:18 am

It's going to be a very different Titus if I stay around much. Real life is that impacted. In Warehouse 13 (just finished) I asked to be eliminated by May 17th because of my schedule. I drove 700 miles over the past 3 days. Tomorrow will be easier. Tonight I'll be drained.