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In post 1238, T3 wrote:

In post 1236, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1225, T3 wrote:I wasn’t saying you’re town or not town that was just an observation

That's exactly what you did in MBOS

I thought I walked back on the meta in a later post, no?

From what I remember, you said a bunch of stuff about how I have meta but not or whatever and then you ended with a not sure. And here you said some meta but then said it doesn't actually work cause I replaced in now and I don't know how you've tried to read me so far

In post 1249, fua wrote:

In post 1246, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm a 2-shot even night braindead organ donor jetsetting angry creditor with 3 wishes

Your organs are

mine

. Hand them over.

Anyway, intent to put T3 to E-1 if he doesn’t fully claim.

Will do this in about 2 hours since deadline is in 16.

Vote Count 1.10

TheZenMan (3):

GeorgeBailey, cool cookie, T3

Almost50 (0):

House (0):

Save The Dragons (0):

Three (1):

HawaiianPizza

T3 (4):

Three, Jacket, redtea, Dwlee99

GeorgeBailey (0):

fua (0):

Jacket (0):

Dwlee99 (0):

cool cookie (2):

Almost50, TheZenMan

redtea (0):

HawaiianPizza (0):

Not Voting (3):

House, fua, Save The Dragons

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 1 ends when an elimination is decided or in (expired on 2021-10-08 09:00:00).

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my gut believes t3.

UNVOTE:

Like someone said he might die tonight anyway. Or not idk.

Mass claim time tho fr

VERY cute opossom

In post 1243, Three wrote:

In post 1237, T3 wrote:

In post 1235, Three wrote:

In post 1224, T3 wrote:

In post 1159, Three wrote:

In post 1125, T3 wrote:

In post 1122, Three wrote:

@T3:

Are you ever going to explain your meta reads? Because at some point or another you're going to get accused of TMI if you don't.

No

VOTE: T3

Dude
What
Why is that scummy

You don't think it's scummy to read people based on meta but then not explain what the meta is? If you're scum it's just TMI that you already know who's town and who's scum. If you're town, we have no idea what you're thinking or how accurate your meta reads actually are.

With STD for instance, you say he's town because of meta. When asked if it's something he did, you answer it's because of something he didn't do. That means nothing to anyone who doesn't know what you're talking about and could easily just come from scum since you don't have to justify that read.

T3 wrote: 17 hours
I hardclaim investigative
Unvote

Sigh.

What investigative?

I don't want to elaborate because it only benefits scum
Please trust me

Scum me almost never ever fakes reads and when I do it's almost always obvious

I'm not accusing you of faking reads, I'm accusing you of TMI.

It's hard to trust your claim because by all means, if you're town, you're most likely going to get night killed. With all the supposed Bulletproofs in the game it seems unlikely a protective role exists. So if you die tonight you'll flip and we learn your role anyway, or worse you potentially get role blocked and scum kills someone else to make you WIFOM bait.

Besides that, if we do trust you, who exactly do we vote? Because you were voting for me and I don't exactly want to get miseliminated.

Maybe Zen or jacket

In post 1254, redtea wrote:Mass claim time tho fr

Kind of don't have the time for it.

well sure if you don't claim we won't

zen or jacket
t3 my man come on

wait actually yeah
ig if we're probably no limming we should wait to massclaim til tomorrow

okay everyone DONT claim

I doubt that we have 5 claimed PRs (I'm counting informed townie) on day 1 and all of them are town. That'd have to be every role in the setup and I don't think we hit that randomly.


I understand if people don't want to vote a claimed PR, though - some of these things should resolve mechanically from nightkills. I don't think we should out more roles, though.

Who says we're not eliminating?

In post 1247, Almost50 wrote:@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

In post 1256, T3 wrote:

In post 1243, Three wrote:

In post 1237, T3 wrote:

In post 1235, Three wrote:

In post 1224, T3 wrote:

In post 1159, Three wrote:

In post 1125, T3 wrote:

In post 1122, Three wrote:

@T3:

Are you ever going to explain your meta reads? Because at some point or another you're going to get accused of TMI if you don't.

No

VOTE: T3

Dude
What
Why is that scummy

You don't think it's scummy to read people based on meta but then not explain what the meta is? If you're scum it's just TMI that you already know who's town and who's scum. If you're town, we have no idea what you're thinking or how accurate your meta reads actually are.

With STD for instance, you say he's town because of meta. When asked if it's something he did, you answer it's because of something he didn't do. That means nothing to anyone who doesn't know what you're talking about and could easily just come from scum since you don't have to justify that read.

T3 wrote: 17 hours
I hardclaim investigative
Unvote

Sigh.

What investigative?

I don't want to elaborate because it only benefits scum
Please trust me

Scum me almost never ever fakes reads and when I do it's almost always obvious

I'm not accusing you of faking reads, I'm accusing you of TMI.

It's hard to trust your claim because by all means, if you're town, you're most likely going to get night killed. With all the supposed Bulletproofs in the game it seems unlikely a protective role exists. So if you die tonight you'll flip and we learn your role anyway, or worse you potentially get role blocked and scum kills someone else to make you WIFOM bait.

Besides that, if we do trust you, who exactly do we vote? Because you were voting for me and I don't exactly want to get miseliminated.

Maybe Zen or jacket

Why?

In post 1264, Three wrote:

In post 1256, T3 wrote:

In post 1243, Three wrote:

In post 1237, T3 wrote:

In post 1235, Three wrote:

In post 1224, T3 wrote:

In post 1159, Three wrote:

In post 1125, T3 wrote:

In post 1122, Three wrote:

@T3:

Are you ever going to explain your meta reads? Because at some point or another you're going to get accused of TMI if you don't.

No

VOTE: T3

Dude
What
Why is that scummy

You don't think it's scummy to read people based on meta but then not explain what the meta is? If you're scum it's just TMI that you already know who's town and who's scum. If you're town, we have no idea what you're thinking or how accurate your meta reads actually are.

With STD for instance, you say he's town because of meta. When asked if it's something he did, you answer it's because of something he didn't do. That means nothing to anyone who doesn't know what you're talking about and could easily just come from scum since you don't have to justify that read.

T3 wrote: 17 hours
I hardclaim investigative
Unvote

Sigh.

What investigative?

I don't want to elaborate because it only benefits scum
Please trust me

Scum me almost never ever fakes reads and when I do it's almost always obvious

I'm not accusing you of faking reads, I'm accusing you of TMI.

It's hard to trust your claim because by all means, if you're town, you're most likely going to get night killed. With all the supposed Bulletproofs in the game it seems unlikely a protective role exists. So if you die tonight you'll flip and we learn your role anyway, or worse you potentially get role blocked and scum kills someone else to make you WIFOM bait.

Besides that, if we do trust you, who exactly do we vote? Because you were voting for me and I don't exactly want to get miseliminated.

Maybe Zen or jacket

Why?

Zen for the case on him outlined by cookie earlier (I didn't think it was too scummy at first though), but maybe not because he's neighbor
Jacket because of barely providing content and dumb tunnel on me and you.
Possibly George because of PoE.

In post 1263, T3 wrote:

In post 1247, Almost50 wrote:@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

On Odd Nights I can check if someone is able to communicate with someone else, then on Even Nights I can check to see if someone is a Neighbor.

This strongly implies that there is
1. a traitor
2. a neighbor
That's why I was very quick to believe cookie and A50's claims, + the fact that the tells exist.

In post 1266, T3 wrote:

In post 1263, T3 wrote:

In post 1247, Almost50 wrote:@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

On Odd Nights I can check if someone is able to communicate with someone else, then on Even Nights I can check to see if someone is a Neighbor.

This strongly implies that there is
1. a traitor
2. a neighbor
That's why I was very quick to believe cookie and A50's claims, + the fact that the tells exist.

That...is a very odd role. Why does town need to find Neighbors? Either way I don't see how this tips scum off. Also why does it imply there's a Traitor? I don't think Traitors communicate with scum unless there's some kind of recruitment mechanic in play. So they shouldn't have day or night talk unless they're a Neighbor, though A50 strongly believes Zen is town and A50 himself is a consensus town read.

Assuming the strategy here is to scum hunt odd nights and confirm Neighbors even nights, you'll most likely be blocked tonight and we'll be essentially powerless. There would be too many town PRs if others existed otherwise, unless we have some fake claims.

Should we organize what everyone is doing? I'd be fine with redtea shooting me two nights in a row to confirm I'm not the Bulletproof Traitor. T3 could also target me to confirm I don't have night talk. We could argue just this means scum shoots me to "waste" their night actions but uhhhh if scum want to kill a scum read VT they're more than free to do so. And if a role block happens, well we won't be in any worse of a situation.

In post 1261, Jacket wrote:I doubt that we have 5 claimed PRs (I'm counting informed townie) on day 1 and all of them are town. That'd have to be every role in the setup and I don't think we hit that randomly.


I understand if people don't want to vote a claimed PR, though - some of these things should resolve mechanically from nightkills. I don't think we should out more roles, though.

i'd count a neighbor as like, 1/2 a power role personally but I don't know if that's how games tend to be balanced at all
why not mass claim tomorrow though? Knowing claims will help make sense of visible night actions/night flips.

In post 1262, Jacket wrote:Who says we're not eliminating?

why should we

i could definitely see that as a fake claim he made up because he knew neighbors were in the game.

not sure if it is. but maybe. but i don't know if i want to lim it yet

i guess why not give 2 players that role, an odd night X and another player an even night Y but now i'm outguessing the mod and shouldn't do that argg

In post 1267, Three wrote:

In post 1266, T3 wrote:

In post 1263, T3 wrote:

In post 1247, Almost50 wrote:@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

On Odd Nights I can check if someone is able to communicate with someone else, then on Even Nights I can check to see if someone is a Neighbor.

This strongly implies that there is
1. a traitor
2. a neighbor
That's why I was very quick to believe cookie and A50's claims, + the fact that the tells exist.

That...is a very odd role. Why does town need to find Neighbors? Either way I don't see how this tips scum off. Also why does it imply there's a Traitor? I don't think Traitors communicate with scum unless there's some kind of recruitment mechanic in play. So they shouldn't have day or night talk unless they're a Neighbor, though A50 strongly believes Zen is town and A50 himself is a consensus town read.

Assuming the strategy here is to scum hunt odd nights and confirm Neighbors even nights, you'll most likely be blocked tonight and we'll be essentially powerless. There would be too many town PRs if others existed otherwise, unless we have some fake claims.

Should we organize what everyone is doing? I'd be fine with redtea shooting me two nights in a row to confirm I'm not the Bulletproof Traitor. T3 could also target me to confirm I don't have night talk. We could argue just this means scum shoots me to "waste" their night actions but uhhhh if scum want to kill a scum read VT they're more than free to do so. And if a role block happens, well we won't be in any worse of a situation.

it tips scum off since we know who the neighbors are, so if t3 checks anyone else and they have nighttalk they're scum. It means we basically have a full-fledged cop now. Though if one of zen/a50 IS scum it's not as useful an ability, but I'm trusting those two rn.

I think the fact there's a neighbor-finder ability too means that there's another way for t3 to gain a false negative (when checking the traitor), that's what implies the role.

Night 2 he should check one of the claimed Neighbors then.

wait

Get off T3. He's nk bait.

Protective should be on him.

If there's no nk, he's town and scum was stopped.

If there's a different nk, his alignment may be in doubt, but hopefully we'll gain results.

No cc should happen, if any exists, until d2.

okay, without the neighbor-finder ability, there exists two false positives (the neighbors) and one false negative (the traitor) that can't be cleared using the abilities we know exist (or killing them). So balance-wise that makes sense. It's not like investigative roles live long either.

If there's a traffic analyst role, it would make sense for there to be a scum-sided role that can fly under its radar. That's what implies the traitor.