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In post 1244, VP Baltar wrote:There's zero point in me reading a bunch of scum BS.

He's trying to kill you with pre-flips from Keep and you don't think that's relevant what type of pre-flips he's predicting to come?

the arrogance is unbelievably you

In post 1131, imaginality wrote:

In post 1122, VP Baltar wrote:I think we should flip the gate first maybe since it is the most discussed and my reads will bear fruit when my alignment is public

Interesting to see this post just a few posts after I remind Tanner that flipping the Keep first would show if DArby/Pav is town which would paint VP in considerably worse light.

He's relying on Darby/Pav flipping town to paint you in a worse light.

And me flipping scum would make you look really good.

So if he wants Keep to flip first, he's banking on Me/Pavo both being town in Keep.

I might not always be as concise as I could be but if you look at my posts about VP I've:

- pointed out where he's overstated his case for him being town (the 'I'm obvtown because I did what Tanner wanted with my groupings' stuff)
- pointed out contradictions in his argument that others overlooked (where he said having a low content player with us rather than Tanner would have been way easier as scum, when a low content player was actually exactly who he first suggested to bring with us)
- pointed out where his interactions with him are revealing (Ari town, implo town)
- pointed out anti-town actions he's pushed for (rushing the Gate vote at the start of the day would be anti-town even if he were town)
- pointed out that his reads this game haven't been as loose as he claims he is as town
- pointed out that flipping Keep will help if people (Tanner) wants more data before deciding

Sure, to him it's all BS, because we're 1v1 and that's what he'd say as town. But I think the above points and others are coming together to make a coherent case.

And as I've said, if I had a coherent case on him at the start of today, he wouldn't have chosen to 1v1 me.

So yeah, it took a few posts for me to make sense of it all. But I feel like at this point, if I were in Tanner's shoes reading me vs VP, the case against VP is stronger.

If people (Tanner) still aren't convinced, I'm not sure what I can do to convince you. I feel like all the pieces are there now, if you look at them clearly.

In post 1252, Aristeia wrote:

In post 1131, imaginality wrote:

In post 1122, VP Baltar wrote:I think we should flip the gate first maybe since it is the most discussed and my reads will bear fruit when my alignment is public

Interesting to see this post just a few posts after I remind Tanner that flipping the Keep first would show if DArby/Pav is town which would paint VP in considerably worse light.

He's relying on Darby/Pav flipping town to paint you in a worse light.

And me flipping scum would make you look really good.

So if he wants Keep to flip first, he's banking on Me/Pavo both being town in Keep.

I'm less sure about Pav because VP was angling for us to go to the Wall, and Pav could be scum with VP intending for one of them to swap out of Wall if it had ended up as me-him-Pav. I definitely think you'll flip town though.

In post 1248, imaginality wrote:VP is trying to steamroller over me today.

Now we are on to AtE. Which step of grieving is that?

Seriously though, your theorizing is consistently incoherent and reaching for any desperate angle to call me scum. You've stated I've done so many things that are galaxy brain moves, it makes no sense. Why would I spend my time reading and responding to such nonsense when I know it is all fake?

By the way, Tanner, don't get upset over me not including you because you are confirmed Town and thus obviously, everything you say has Town motivation.

Thanks RH9 you are very sweet <3

In post 1232, Pavowski wrote:

In post 1228, implosion wrote:I think part of the reason I've been getting so hung up on Aristeia is that her being scum is like, the easiest way for this game to make sense without feeling arrogant. Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant. But I don't really have any particularly good reason for him to not be scum.

Could you explain more what you mean by this - how scum!Ari simplifies the game?

In post 1233, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1228, implosion wrote:Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant

Arrogant? Not sure what you mean.

What I basically mean to respond to both of these is that if Pav is scum then our Collective Reads tm on d1 were just really good. And (a) like I had mentioned on d1 I want to be flexible now and (2) no one was really complaining about the plans that we came up with on d1; they were universally accepted with no fuss at all. It just feels kind of ehhh to accept that that was the case if it was 0 scum at keep initially.

RH9 you'd better work to get a not-null read on either me or numberQ given those are the only two reads of yours that actually matter x_x

In post 1255, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1248, imaginality wrote:VP is trying to steamroller over me today.

Now we are on to AtE. Which step of grieving is that?

The step where you go on to prove me right?

Seriously though, your theorizing is consistently incoherent and reaching for any desperate angle to call me scum. You've stated I've done so many things that are galaxy brain moves, it makes no sense. Why would I spend my time reading and responding to such nonsense when I know it is all fake?

Think I realized who Ari is. I'll reread tomorrow with that in mind.

In post 1259, implosion wrote:What I basically mean to respond to both of these is that if Pav is scum then our Collective Reads tm on d1 were just really good. And (a) like I had mentioned on d1 I want to be flexible now and (2) no one was really complaining about the plans that we came up with on d1; they were universally accepted with no fuss at all. It just feels kind of ehhh to accept that that was the case if it was 0 scum at keep initially.

Ok, that makes sense

In post 1262, VP Baltar wrote:Think I realized who Ari is. I'll reread tomorrow with that in mind.

your opponent has already preflipped me as town and you are still confused about my alignment

it's absolutely maddening

In post 1264, Aristeia wrote:

In post 1262, VP Baltar wrote:Think I realized who Ari is. I'll reread tomorrow with that in mind.

your opponent has already preflipped me as town and you are still confused about my alignment

it's absolutely maddening

You'll feel less stressed when you realise its because he's scum and doesn't want to consider you clear town because then they won't win the Keep.

On which note, I do agree with your earlier point in post 1214: if I were deciding, the Keep vote should be for you. I said as much pretty soon after #971, in post 1040.

As for your other question in #1214 about why I still analysed Luke vs Pav after I already town read you: figuring which of those two is scum is important because it informs us about one side of the swap, so it helps us narrow down what the plan was with that.

I think you don't understand my relationship with Tanner if you think he would ever trust me enough to ask me to be flipped.

In post 1265, imaginality wrote:You'll feel less stressed when you realise its because he's scum and doesn't want to consider you clear town because then they won't win the Keep.

I think it's more likely he's just a big dumb-dumb, I've read quite a few of his games hehe.

I remember that last time I saw Baltar around, he was Town and got eliminated in the endgame when the scum coordinated a hammer on him.

In post 1268, RH9 wrote:I remember that last time I saw Baltar around, he was Town and got eliminated in the endgame when the scum coordinated a hammer on him.

He was right on one of the scum.

RH9 have you figured out who is scum in the Wall yet?

In post 1270, Aristeia wrote:RH9 have you figured out who is scum in the Wall yet?

Not really, but out of implosion and numberQ, I would be inclined to say numberQ. This is because implosion has continued to pour his effort into this game while numberQ remains as he was. However, this might just be due to numberQ being busy IRL which hindered his ability to play in this game.

In post 1271, RH9 wrote:

In post 1270, Aristeia wrote:RH9 have you figured out who is scum in the Wall yet?

Not really, but out of implosion and numberQ, I would be inclined to say numberQ. This is because implosion has continued to pour his effort into this game while numberQ remains as he was. However, this might just be due to numberQ being busy IRL which hindered his ability to play in this game.

I mean that if I had to vote somebody, I would vote numberQ because I know that one of the two is scum.

mmm

how tilted is lukewarm at imaginality in the scum pt rn?

Remember not to tell Tanner and Ari this is a secret bastard game and town has a secret win condition that they only win if the two town players correctly figure out all eight other players are scum before page 60.