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In post 1247, Datisi wrote:well that's just stellar. i should probably reassess my read on him while keeping in mind that i can't write things off as townie because "scum probably doesn't effort this much" or for similar reasons like that

ik you don't like secondhand meta but it was a pain to go through and find his scumgames so here was one that did have a good amount of effort to it if you want to look

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=31377

which is also a heaven/hell game which is at least vaguely similar from what i gather

I fell asleep reading this heaven/hell game

I fell asleep playing that heaven/hell game

At my in-laws and just trying to catch up on the thread so I have less to read later

I would love if it was menalque because then me & skitter & std were right

I think just like there’s 1-2 scum in the coalition there’s also 1-2 scum in those voting for it (I get that this is convenient for scum!me to say but what, five townies voted a failed coalition in that frantic end of day thing? Nah)

I think the non-coalition players - like all four of them - should be leading today.

I’d go menalque > skitter > datisi > aristeia currently but haven’t reread anything ok bye

Datisi can you stop whiteknighting menalque and make him play his own game? thank u

I effort a lot in all my games it’s compulsive. I haven’t played since 2019 fyi if you’re doing meta

I literally signed up to this game to play mafia for a week and walk away with a town win. Feeling sad but trying to stay optimistic

Fire if your scumread of me is significantly based on my post 427 then read this thread:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=89344

I read that thread and decided in my next town game I would try some new stuff to defuse t/t arguments and create town cohesion. You’re scumreading my new town trick. I don’t think I’ve ever done such a graceful defuse thing as scum. Guess this is wifom coming from me but at least I can point to the reason I did that

i just woke up from my nap

i had a dream that me/skitter/dats were drinking at a bar

I snoozing on Datisi's shoulder because I had a bit too much to drink and his shoulder smelled nice

Skitter was fighting with the waiter because she had too much to drink and he wanted her to drink this giant pitcher of water and she was not having any of that.

Not terribly useful but just something cute I wanted to share. <3

In post 1190, Aristeia wrote:the idea that scum me uses town!dats as the fall guy and sacrificial pawn is kind of gross.

I would not do that - I am not even sure if I could think of such a move.

Ok maybe this is fair. I am still very worried abt u/dats together tho
(I skimmed might take me a little time tonight to get to everything, but i shall)

I don't give you thread control if I am mafia unless my partner is already very deep in your townreads.

I mean my fear is that if you are mafia your partner is v deep in my townreads

As is it at least one scum is either: deep in my townreads, dats, or u
So i kinda need to evaluate that universe

And i hope u are having a good weekend :)

ty

you as well dear

In post 1258, Aristeia wrote:i just woke up from my nap

i had a dream that me/skitter/dats were drinking at a bar

I snoozing on Datisi's shoulder because I had a bit too much to drink and his shoulder smelled nice

Skitter was fighting with the waiter because she had too much to drink and he wanted her to drink this giant pitcher of water and she was not having any of that.

Not terribly useful but just something cute I wanted to share. <3

i picture people as looking like their avatars

was skitter a tiger

In post 1257, Irrelephant11 wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=89344

I read that thread and decided in my next town game I would try some new stuff to defuse t/t arguments and create town cohesion. You’re scumreading my new town trick. I don’t think I’ve ever done such a graceful defuse thing as scum. Guess this is wifom coming from me but at least I can point to the reason I did that

hmm ok ty idk how much i really buy that since it was defusing an argument between you and someone else which i feel like is a substantially different scenario than creating town cohesion but i will consider this

In post 1263, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 1258, Aristeia wrote:i just woke up from my nap

i had a dream that me/skitter/dats were drinking at a bar

I snoozing on Datisi's shoulder because I had a bit too much to drink and his shoulder smelled nice

Skitter was fighting with the waiter because she had too much to drink and he wanted her to drink this giant pitcher of water and she was not having any of that.

Not terribly useful but just something cute I wanted to share. <3

i picture people as looking like their avatars

was skitter a tiger

no that would've been quite weird to have a tiger drinking beer

In post 1195, Aristeia wrote:There is only one difference between Datisi's Coalition and the Coalition you wanted. [You had STD instead of Me in your final vote thing]

That involved me being in the coalition. I know for a fact that I am town and that if your coalition would pass, then Datisi's coalition would also pass so the game would end either way.

What I can't accept is letting you kill Datisi if your coalition fails because it's your coalition in the first place.[You had made it very clear he was the first person you'd go to flip upon coalition failure] If you really want to flip Dats card, I need the coalition to be made by him; I can't accept you killing him with your preferred coalition passing I would fight you tooth and nail over that and this thread would become extremely unpleasant.

That's why I ended up voting for the coalition with me instead of STD. I know for a fact your coalition would also have failed. If you had wanted a coalition that was significantly different where this clause doesn't come into play I would've been fine with it. I think I have been extremely transparent in my willingness to support you throughout this game and to push your preferred coalition through multiple times when both myself and Datisi were off of it which makes very little sense if your coalition was already compromised to begin with. It feels incredibly strange to me that you think Fire made a good point that if I am scum, then I have to be partnered with someone already on your coalition but you've decided that Dats/Ari are the place that you want to start with.

I'm having trouble quoting th exact bit i want, sorry

So a few different thoughts:
- this is fair. If the 2 coalitions are between u gett
- while i understand that from your pov if you think std is town the two are equivalent tho. From my pov they arent tho, you can very easily be the point of failure, and a point of failure i didnt want

- you did demonstrate that you were willing to sheep me earlier, so i do take that back wrt earlier in the game/with other coalitions
At eod tho, again, my point goes back to u wanting dats/yourself over std, and that's where my suspicions are stemming from, as that's the point if difference in my mind, and nof really what i wanted, and i very strongly consider him town

- i dont really understand the bolded? Its ok for the coalition to have dats/you if dats proposed it, but not if i did? Like what's the difference? His coalition got in and mine didn't, but you arent going to protest if i try to flip him now? (I do appreciate u trying to keep the thread pleasant tho!) Maybe you're saying something different, but if ao i dont know what you're trying to say wrt std/dats/yourself

- i also kinda just want to generally say it makes me a little anxious to be sheeped/i feel a lot of responsibility and i didnt want that, so i dont think i was ever going to be like: sheep me cuz i think this is best. I would argue what i think is best but i wouldn't take u up on it

In post 1196, Aristeia wrote:I doubt I would ever think of trying to misflip him. Not only would I feel incredibly bad about it - but like it's just not something that's easy or strategically sound to do? There are many people I would find easier to misflip in this PL, I don't think there's actually a player more difficult to misflip than him.

The thought of trying to put him into the coalition to set him up as a misflip after townreading him is just not something I would do or even consider doing. It's just so bizarre that the thought would never even cross my mind - my scum game for all you rave about it is actually fairly simple - I mostly try to flip the people who are easy to flip. I don't really try to jump over a 50 foot fence when there is a nice open door somewhere else.

Ok this is fair, and it probably wasnt right for me to think this, so i apologize
Upon reflection i dont think you would try to misflip him

So i guess you/s dats/t probably doesnt make sense
But i'm still wary of s/s and/or u being partnered with irrel and mena
I think a lot of what i was thinking yesterday afternoon was a lot of kickback frustration and annoyance and paranoia and that's where my mind went immediately

Now that i've had more time to think abt it i'm kinda vacillating between u irrl dats
I kinda think mena is town still (but still a little paranoia, albeit less so)

In post 1038, skitter30 wrote:Ok if std being in it isnt viable i can probably compromise on that but that is not my ideal, i really would like std in it

And honestly to be perfectly frank if it failed i would probably flip you first
Probablh something like dats -> mena -> ari -> irrel
Maybe swap mena/ari idk

this is what you said to Datisi.

So in my mind you wanted your coalition [Skitter/Irrel/Mena/Dats/STD] but you would flip Dats . I can't accept you trying to flip Dats for

the only thing I did was put myself in for STD because I knew it was functionally the same thing as except it would pass if STD was mafia and it also is the coalition Datisi wanted.

In post 1198, Not Known 15 wrote:Ok, finally.
VOTE: Aristeia

Why ari over dats ?

Is it bad that i'm kinda rekindling nk15/dats here?

In post 1268, Aristeia wrote:

In post 1038, skitter30 wrote:Ok if std being in it isnt viable i can probably compromise on that but that is not my ideal, i really would like std in it

And honestly to be perfectly frank if it failed i would probably flip you first
Probablh something like dats -> mena -> ari -> irrel
Maybe swap mena/ari idk

this is what you said to Datisi.

So in my mind you wanted your coalition [Skitter/Irrel/Mena/Dats/STD] but you would flip Dats

if it failed

. I can't accept you trying to flip Dats for

your coalition failing

the only thing I did was put myself in for STD because I knew it was functionally the same thing as

your coalition

except it would pass if STD was mafia and it also is the coalition Datisi wanted.

Ok so just so i understand: you were ok with dats being in it and me wanting to flip him if that was the coalition dats was proposing?

I wouldn't be happy about flipping Datisi either way but like I'd feel more upset about you flipping him if he didn't even get to pick the coalition that passed.

In post 1200, Datisi wrote:

In post 1156, skitter30 wrote:Just wanna say that this is lowkey frustrating given that that was my like 3rd option and i didnt want ari/dats in it at all, and if we had to have them

i wanted std instead of mena

In post 1162, skitter30 wrote:Ari/dats -> irrel ->

mena

for me

skitt, how do these two posts fit together?

These are kinda like two different things in my mind, but i will try to explain
My point of failure for the coalition is like ari/dats
I dont think the issue was mena being in there, but given ari/dats i had a stronger townread on std and would have preferred him over mena
You can kinda add an arrow after mena pointing to std in the second quote to explain my read hierarchy

Ok that's fair, thank you
UNVOTE:

I think like i said i was in sort of reactionary frustration/paranoia mode yesterday (again sorry this probably wasnt fair of me)

I'm not as sus of you now and have to sort of rethink this to figure out where scum is

Like i said i'm probably keeping mena out of it but otherwise idk rn

In post 1203, Datisi wrote:also skitt when you're back i do want a kind of an elaboration on 1189 - how do you see the gamestate at the moment of the coalition forming that you think it's viable for ari to do this? like i said in 1201 why i don't really think it's realistic for ari to try to do that but i want to hear your pov i guess

I think i answered but lmk if u wanf something else