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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:10 pm

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I unvoted because I want to check your scum meta and don't want MO to be lynched before that.
populartajo wrote:Slicey, that is one of the less important problems with the Wicked claim. Getting rid of ALL the vampires goes STRONGLY against the flavor of the game, since we already know Elvis and cayke are town and Cullens, and therefore vampires.

Other things I dislike are the "I was" used when the PMs are in the present tense and the fact that the flavor is lacking compared to my and others claim.

Finally, I found an inconsistency in Wicked but I really want OP claiming first though. Ill elaborate more after his claim.
tajo, did you ever share the inconsistency? I can't find it in your iso.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:19 pm

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Question, why did you wait to unvote until now? Did magnus last post make you reconsider things and made you suspect me?

About the inconsistency check this out:
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populartajo wrote:Wickedestjr, is the name "Bella" in your PM?
What made you come to the conclusion that the vampires were scum?
Yes, the name Bella is in my role pm.
I got the conclusion that the vampires were scum based on the opening post.
Wickedestjr wrote:Role Claim: I'm Jessica Stanley. A vanilla townie. I was one of Bella's first friends at Forks.
I want to get rid of all the vampires
, to prevent my death. I win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Okay, if Wicked indeed has the "I want to get rid of all the vampires" clause in his PM, then he should have got the conclusion that the vampires were scum based on his PM, not based in the opening post.
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:20 pm

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EBWOP
Whicj strongly indicates that he doesnt have that clause in his PM. Therefore he is lying scum.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:35 pm

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It's still possible that he just replaced "killer" with "vampire," though, as per his later explanation, right? Not that I buy it, but I think that would also be consistent with what you've posted. Any particular reason you wanted to wait until OP'd claimed?

Also, isn't that inconsistency kind of irrelevant? If the clause is there, then she's scum for making up flavor where Jessica knows about vampires. If it isn't, there's no conflict. What does your inconsistency add to the picture?

What MO said did not influence me particularly; however, what I posted did. Since I noticed the 1/1 between you and MO, I thought I should investigate your scum meta just in case anything pops out.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:37 pm

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Icerint, do you really think Tajo is scum over magnus?
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:50 pm

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Iecerint wrote:It's still possible that he just replaced "killer" with "vampire," though, as per his later explanation, right? Not that I buy it, but I think that would also be consistent with what you've posted.
It would make more sense but still he should have at least referenced his PM since he would have already deducted, according to him, that vampires were the killers.
Iecerint wrote:Any particular reason you wanted to wait until OP'd claimed?
Yeah, let everyone claim before giving information or analysis that could be useful if op is scum.
Iecerint wrote:Also, isn't that inconsistency kind of irrelevant? If the clause is there, then she's scum for making up flavor where Jessica knows about vampires. If it isn't, there's no conflict. What does your inconsistency add to the picture?

Another point of view about him lying about his claim. I didnt bring the "Jessica doesnt know about vampires" inconsistency.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:52 pm

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Slicey wrote:Icerint, do you really think Tajo is scum over magnus?
Yeah, I dont get it also. I think Iecerint is town but I dont get why he would put me at the same level with magnus.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:08 pm

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populartajo wrote:
Slicey wrote:Icerint, do you really think Tajo is scum over magnus?
Yeah, I dont get it also. I think Iecerint is town but I dont get why he would put me at the same level with magnus.
He questioned my posts too recently. I think he's trying to get a read off of everyone, which is a good idea.
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:25 pm

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I'm flashing back to my first newbie game -- Mongol mafia -- where a player that buddy'd me early on (Katy) ended up being scum. I realized that I hadn't really questioned anything tajo has said most of Day 2 and Day 3, mostly because it all makes a lot of sense. Tajo is different from the player who buddy'd me in that he is a much more active scumhunter, but I don't want to repeat my mistake. On the other hand, the other scum in that game was DDD, and I suspected him all game but held off pushing a case because I didn't want to push a case biased by OMGUS. So there's not wanting to repeat my mistake both ways.

I noticed when reading tajo's D1 iso that he didn't comment on Zaz at all, but that she nonetheless migrated from Neutral to Prob Town in consecutive scumlists. He only comments on her once, to say that he wants her to stay in the game. If he was ignoring her just because her play was minimal, I didn't understand why he'd specifically ask her to stay, unless they have some prior relationship. I wanted to know if tajo has a meta of ignoring his scumbuddies.

Results are inconclusive. Lynch all lurkers mafia has tajo talking about his scumbuddies all game, but it could be because zwet was one of them; zwet's kinda hard to ignore. He does kind of ignore his scumbuddies in Drawn Together, except for when they're caughtscum, but both of his scumbuddies were replaced often, so that could explain his failure to mention them.

tl;dr -- meta was inconclusive. Slicey remains scummier than tajo. This means I'm going to
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:50 pm

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This'll probably be my last post. I'm fine with killing magnus. If the next day starts before I get back, please town be smart and lynch Wicked.

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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:30 pm

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At this point I'm willing to vote for MO. It's the fourth vote, putting him at L-1. I'm ready to lynch him, and since I will not be on tomorrow evening or Saturday I'd like to place my vote now.
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:35 pm

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OP, does your flavor specify that you are a vampire?
Yes, it does.
So then it's MO, Pom? That's three for MO (Icerint, Tajo, Pom) and one for Wicked (Slicey). If either OP or Faraday prefer a magnus lynch I'll move my vote there.
I actuallly prefer a Slicey/Wicked lynch, which doesn't look like it's happening.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:45 pm

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populartajo wrote:EBWOP
Whicj strongly indicates that he doesnt have that clause in his PM. Therefore he is lying scum.
:shock:

I want to hear from Wicked before anyone hammers.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:41 pm

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OP, you still think its possible that Slicey and Wicked could be scum togehter?

Why do you think magnus is less scummy than both of these? Why are you ignoring magnus blatant scumminness?
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:37 pm

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OP, you still think its possible that Slicey and Wicked could be scum togehter?
Well, why couldn't they? If those two are scum, then it also might be possible that magnus could be scum with them.

Ugh, well, since neither Slicey or Wicked are going to be lynched, a MO lynch is the third best option.
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Why do you think magnus is less scummy than both of these?
Because both of them have REALLY sketchy claims (which MO also shares, I guess), and I think they are faking them, especially Wicked, since he's been caught in a lie. Slicey has been opportunistic and a whole lot more. magnus isn't any less scummy, but I just disagree with some of the case on him. I think you have an excellent case against Wicked though, and I will be pressing that tomorrow, along with the Slicey lining up lynches issue he never addressed, and conveniently ignored, instead to focus on Wicked and MO, and not himself.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:46 pm

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Mod: I will be on vacation the next week. I will have little to no computer access.


Sorry for having to leave. I know that there are quite a bit of people that want me lynched, so I am sorry for the inconvenience. If you can, please try not to lynch anybody until I get back. :)
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:37 am

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Hmm kinda a quick lynch in the end.

Don't really object to it, though.

Just waiting on the mod scene I guess.
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:15 am

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Im pretty confident there is still going to be a tomorrow but I suspect I wont be with you guys anymore.

Pome, Iecerint and Faraday are all pretty much town. Dont let scum try to bring shitty cases against you.

Please lynch Wicked tomorrow. Since I think Wicked is scum that means Slicey isnt scum, even if his play has been kinda off in some points of the game. Focus people, magnus was distancing from Wicked when he fosed him for bringing a shitty against Slicey, meaning he suspected him. It doesnt make any sense then for him to suspect Slicey now more than Wicked.

By POE, the last scum has to be orangepenguin. Wicked and Slicey cant be scum together.
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:50 am

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*waiting for the lynch scene*

That was a pretty quick lynch, but I feel we got it right. I think MO is scum with OP and Wicked, as mentioned previously. OP probably hammered to distance himself from MO, since MO's lynch seemed inevitable anyway.
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:55 am

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I have been re-reading the thread, and I noticed that Plum's accusation of Starbuck in post 95 was actually inaccurate. I know that Starbuck didn't act extremely anti-town until after the accusation, but the original accusation was inaccurate. Plum accuses her of not voting for Zwet until Sens and crywolf start complaining about his behavior, yet, first of all, the RVS hadn't even begun, and secondly, her only post regarding Zwet was a post asking for clarification about it. I don't see what's so wrong about asking for clarification about something before accusing them of it.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:59 am

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Wicked, Pome is town, so stop wasting time trying to bring suspicion to her.

Remember when I told you about shitty cases? Well, here is one. Lynch wicked and op tomorrow.
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:32 am

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I wasn't planning on bringing suspicion to her, I was just pointing something out that I noticed. Did you even read it? You seem really quick to accuse me of being scum? Why is that? What is the case against me? Why do you think I am scum with magnus and OP? Two of my biggest suspects. And also, the reason why I think Pome might be scum is because I am starting to doubt that Slicey is.


I'm trying to find possible scum groups in this game. Some observations to help me do this are below (comment if you wish);

1. magnus_orion and Iecerint aren't scum buddies together obviously.

2. Faraday I think is confirmed town, as nobody else has claimed Bella.

3. Tajo and Iecerint aren't scum buddies. I came to this conclusion because day one Tajo was suspicious of Xofelf. (Just learned to link posts.)


I will form more observations after reading more of the game, because people start giving more of their opinions on other players later in the game I think.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:39 am

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Pomegranate wrote:*waiting for the lynch scene*

That was a pretty quick lynch, but I feel we got it right. I think MO is scum with OP and Wicked, as mentioned previously. OP probably hammered to distance himself from MO, since MO's lynch seemed inevitable anyway.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:52 am

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Wicked, have you ever heard of bussing? Do you think that its impossible for scum to attack their partners in order to distance of them once they get lynched and come up scum?

Also, why do you think Pome could be scum? He also attacked magnus orion, why doesnt your logic work with her?

And finally, if you thought your Pome post was weak, then why did you post it? Who is more likely to post weak cases, scum or town?
wicked wrote:You guys are just pairing up people that are the scummiest without considering the fact that we have been accusing each other most of the game.
Where does orange penguin fit in this?=
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:55 am

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Pomegranate wrote:
Wickedestjr wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:
Iecerint wrote:I've just realized that OP, Pome, and Slicey's PMs apparently don't explicitly reference that those players are vampires. Only MO's does. It could be null given some of the Mod's intentional PM discrepancies, but it looks like another claim-based point against MO to me.

If you are one of those players, please correct me if you just neglected that detail in your flavorclaim for whatever reason.
Yes, I am a vampire.
But does it say that in your pm? If so, why didn't you say that it was?
It says so in my PM. I thought it was obvious. I'm happy to clarify.
Well I thought it was obvious that the vampires were the killers, so why are you accusing me?

Slicey wrote:
Slicey wrote: For making a crap case against me and trying to push it as if it were good (and even admitting that some of the points were bad), tunneling on me, plus Zazie's action which included heavily lurking while posting in other games.
That and your obvious fakeclaim.
I realize that some of the points were weak, but that doesn't mean I ignore them. Does it? This is not the only game in which I have tunneled. You can look at the mini game that I played in called Save the Mafia. I was town. I got lynched on page 42. A few pages before then I was tunneling on this person named Canadianbovine.

As for my fakeclaim, I was almost positive that the killers were the vampires, so that is why I put vampires there instead.

Honestly this is a crappy case.


Slicey wrote:And I didn't include that I'm a vampire because it's obvious I am one.
It is obvious that vampires are the killers, hence why I put that in my pm instead of killers.


Slicey wrote:I wanted her to say no regardless if it was true or not. We could catch her if she was fakeclaiming because if she did claim cop, we know she was lying unless she made a truthful scan, which was then later proven.
I don't understand. Let's say she was the cop. And said no when you asked if she was fakeclaiming. Then when you asked her to claim, she claimed cop. What would happen next?

And what if she was the cop and admitted it to you because you asked if it was a safe claim. Then what would happen next? You would have outed our cop. That's not good. Especially when we don't find out anybody that is scum.

Slicey wrote:So you're saying that it's scummy that I want to vote OP the next day phase, who is my biggest suspect after you, but you don't think it's scummy that Cayke is trying to control who we lynch not only D1, but D2 as well?
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