Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[GhostWriter]

Didn't say that, now did I? You said "None of this information is new", as in nothing you're considering telling us is new. Now I see where the problem lies, though, because that's a misread. Because you placed that right after a sentence about sharing the information you have, we assumed they were linked, leading questions to be asked about one thing while answers are given under the assumption that it's about something else.

[Ythan]

A reasonable misinterpretation for once. Maybe.

None of this information as in the stuff he asked me to repeat ad nauseum. The stuff I was referencing in the same post as that. Not the information on thil.

[Bunnylover]

Blah, Ythan play is reminding me of GreyIce play in my previous mafia game (SE5 I think) where he tunneled on Prana who claimed doctor and would not stop tunneling him. GreyIce flipped scum that game.

Vote: Ythan

[Ythan]

You just used meta from another game and another player. Meta in no way connected to me or to this game.

[lewarcher82]

ok Ythan: your role tells you that thil is not the cop but you are not the cop. This is possible. But please quit insulting people, because this post:

Because you're not a cop. You're trying to use the fact that you don't have a result

prove that you somehow

are the cop.

really sounded like a soft cop cc, and not even so soft. Deal with it.

Now the question is easy, and you need to answer it, not with a confuse reference to previous posting, please. You said you never stated you have absolute proof thil is scum. Which does not mean you haven't. Make a clear statement now: according to your information, from 1 to 10, what's the likelihood of thil being scum? Do you believe that sharing that information you have will put you in an even more dangerous position than you are after your half claim?

Another question: you decided to mention your info today, not yesterday. Why?

[danakillsu]

"you know what would make you look less scummy? posting longer and more!" just means "you are scummy because of your rare and short posts, post longer and more". All in all, your reaction and your countervote is even worse than an omgus. it's an omgus+blatant attempt at misrepping.

That's just not true. Words mean something. You're literally telling me how to be less scummy. Figured you'd pull out the OMGUS card eventually. Hopefully the others can see that this is retconning, but if they can't, that's not my problem. My vote's staying for now.

[Reckamonic]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

danakillsu

- 2 - Kdub, lewarcher82 - (L-5)

lewarcher82

- 1 - danakillsu - (L-6)

mb53

- 1 - Dekes - (L-6)

thil13

- 3 - Ythan, Pinky and the Brain, esuriospiritus - (L-4)

Ythan

- 1 - The Master Hand, Bunnylover - (L-5)

Players not voting: Crazypianist1116, GhostWriter, mb53, thil13

Searching for a replacement for mb53.

(expired on 2011-06-02 05:00:00)

[Kdub]

I think I've sorted out the misunderstanding with what Ythan said with regards to "information". Nevertheless, barring any additional revelations, I remain unconvinced about thil being scum.

Ythan, what's your opinion of dana?

Blah, Ythan play is reminding me of GreyIce play in my previous mafia game (SE5 I think) where he tunneled on Prana who claimed doctor and would not stop tunneling him. GreyIce flipped scum that game.

Vote: Ythan

That was SEMG, and no, Ythan's play this game is nothing like Grey's play in that game. I also know that you have played in a game with town-Ythan before (hint: I was in that game too), so resorting to this type of argument instead of direct meta on him strikes me as a strange direction to go in.

[lewarcher82]

"you know what would make you look less scummy? posting longer and more!" just means "you are scummy because of your rare and short posts, post longer and more". All in all, your reaction and your countervote is even worse than an omgus. it's an omgus+blatant attempt at misrepping.

That's just not true. Words mean something. You're literally telling me how to be less scummy. Figured you'd pull out the OMGUS card eventually. Hopefully the others can see that this is retconning, but if they can't, that's not my problem. My vote's staying for now.

you are right dana. I was coaching you because I wanted to help you look less scummy in order to vote you for being less scummy...

*facepalm*

interesting stuff happening about bunny... can you or kdub please direct me to the meta's you r referring to?

[Hoppster]

you know what would make you look a little less scummy? If you quit joining wagons without explaning why.

I don't want to help you to look less scummy

Yeah...

Well I'll tell you this much. You're not looking very town, Ythan's not looking very town, The Master Hand is looking pretty town, and thil's a complete wild card. So I'll

unvote vote: lewarcher

for self-contradiction.

That's not a contradiction. The first post is just a different way of saying thil is scummy because he joins wagons without explaining why.

Since you don't even know who he was talking to, I don't think you really understand the situation. But the nuance you choose to read into that is your decision. I see plain English words that are obviously contradictory.

Yeah, my bad. Saw that quote after reading thil's scummy posts, so (stupidly) assumed it was directed at thil.

But I'm not the one looking into nuances. You are, I'm just pointing out the obvious mistakes in your doing so.

If you're not convinced:

Do you know what would make you look like less of a spoilt, arrogant twit? Stop [REDACTED].

^ This is NOT me advising Ryan Giggs how to look like less of an arrogant, spoilt twit, although it may appear that way. I am implying that [REDACTED] is making Ryan Giggs look like a spoilt, arrogant twit; it is persuasive (theoretically).

Spoiler: MOAR ON PERSUASIVE LANGUAGE/QUESTIONS

HE HAS A POWER THAT DOESN'T EXIST BUT HE HAS NO POWER?

You're not asking whether Tragedy 'has a power that doesn't exist'; you know that she said that. You're implying that this (her having 'a power that doesn't exist') is ridiculous/obvfaked/scummy/whatever.

Could that claim be any more nonsensical?

You're not literally asking whether her claim could be any more nonsensical; you're implying that her claim is nonsensical.

Do you know how you could make your fakeclaims less obvious? Make them less nonsensical.

You're

not

advising Tragedy how to fakeclaim better. You are implying her claim is an obvious fakeclaim (because it is nonsensical).


Another example:

Why would I give someone else time to reconsider when I had decided the claim was fake?

You're not asking us to tell you your own thought process, you're using persuasive language to strongly imply that there are no sound reasons for giving anybody else time to reconsider.

If you think I'm scum, why would you want to help me look less scummy?

Again, implies that there are no sound reasons for people who think you are scum to help you look less scummy.

But that will happen regardless of alignment. Not to mention that if we lynch the role-blocker, we end his ability to say that. I'm saying that its poor play to lynch a claimed cop at this stage in the game. There was no CC, and I see this entire case as turning into "uh, well, scum could have done that!" Well, guess what? Town can do that too.

Yes, but this assumes there is a scum roleblocker.

If thil is scum, there may not necessarily be a scum roleblocker (or, as Dekes suggested, thil could be the scum roleblocker). It's still giving thil-scum a free pass.

In a way, all cases are "uh, well, scum could have done that!" How is your case/attack on Ythan

not

"uh, well, scum could have done that!"? You're saying scum could have tunnelled on an un-CC'd cop. Well, guess what? Town can do that too.

"you know what would make you look less scummy? posting longer and more!" just means "you are scummy because of your rare and short posts, post longer and more". All in all, your reaction and your countervote is even worse than an omgus. it's an omgus+blatant attempt at misrepping.

That's just not true. Words mean something. You're literally telling me how to be less scummy. Figured you'd pull out the OMGUS card eventually. Hopefully the others can see that this is retconning, but if they can't, that's not my problem. My vote's staying for now.

you are right dana. I was coaching you because I wanted to help you look less scummy in order to vote you for being less scummy...

*facepalm*

As terrible as dana's vote/case is on you, this is a pretty bad response. You've basically paraphrased the 'contradiction' dana has 'found', and added a facepalm...

[Pinky and the Brain]

Link to hydra-fail post for ISO purposes. Sorry 'bout that.

Requoting would be impractical due to immense quotage.

[danakillsu]

@ Pinky
I know what rhetorical questions are. That has nothing to do with the situation. The point is that lewarcher answered his own question in that post in a way that is obviously NOT a question (that's not a point of debate) but rather advice on how to act less scummy. Now your FIRST example shows me why you think that it should not be taken the way I'm taking it. That does help me realize why someone else would put it that way. I personally feel like that makes no sense whatsoever, but

unvote

. Regardless of whether I see a contradiction, it's not going to get anywhere if no one agrees.

[Ythan]

really sounded like a soft cop cc, and not even so soft. Deal with it.

Am I the one who's bitching about it?

Now the question is easy, and you need to answer it, not with a confuse reference to previous posting, please. You said you never stated you have absolute proof thil is scum. Which does not mean you haven't. Make a clear statement now: according to your information, from 1 to 10, what's the likelihood of thil being scum? Do you believe that sharing that information you have will put you in an even more dangerous position than you are after your half claim?

I'm not going to assign an arbitrary number to how likely it is that he is scum. I said it's very likely. If you need it to be a single numerical character for some obscure reason then estimate.

Another question: you decided to mention your info today, not yesterday. Why?

This is not a stupid question but it is one I would like you to think about briefly and I think you can sort out easily enough. Consider the difference between info yesterday and info today and if you still want me to answer it for you I will.

[Ythan]

Ythan, what's your opinion of dana?

Individual bits of content highlighted by other players do a fine job of casting him in a negative light, and based on that he is more likely scum than town to me. My last review of his iso was a while back and he is due for another. I do not expect to find him more town afterward, but if I don't find him more scummy I still think there are better lynches today.

[Bunnylover]

You just used meta from another game and another player. Meta in no way connected to me or to this game.

I used meta from my games that I've seen scum use. How do you propose I determine who is scum or not if I can't use my experience from other games?

[Ythan]

Considering that your framed it entirely as other-meta and not as a scum tell you're fucked.

[crazypianist1116]

Ythan, is it impossible that thil is pro-town?

Let's lynch thil today, and Ythan tomorrow if he's wrong. The hints at power role are enough for me.

VOTE: Thil13

[crazypianist1116]

Let me ammend my question:
Ythan, is it impossible that thil is pro-town and his claim is true?

[Ythan]

No it's not impossible. But thil isn't just being run up because of his claim, is he.

[crazypianist1116]

No he's not, but several reasons delineate from his claim...

[Ythan]

He claimed in the first place because there was a wagon on him.

[lewarcher82]

Another question: you decided to mention your info today, not yesterday. Why?

This is not a stupid question but it is one I would like you to think about briefly and I think you can sort out easily enough. Consider the difference between info yesterday and info today and if you still want me to answer it for you I will.

I understand now. I was an idiot. I think I have figured out your role... this makes your whole case against thil much more believable...

thil, do you confirm that your night activities so far were the following:

N1 missed deadline
N2 guilty on pine
N3 roleblocked

?

[Ythan]

I'm curious what you think but I'll save that for a later time.

[thil13]

Ythan, you're being a dick-head to everybody who says they disagree with you. Relax, it's just a game of mafia.

@thil
What made you change your mind on TMH? And while you have been on the defensive side for the better part of the day, you need to share your supsects. And I don't want the "I'm basically in agreement with everybody else. No need to reiterate" routine again.

Right now I would suspect Ythan (I've stated why before), and Dana as my two suspects. There seems to be a lack of anything meaningful coming from Dana, but he/she still manages to post to not appear lurking.

thil, do you confirm that your night activities so far were the following:

N1 missed deadline
N2 guilty on pine
N3 roleblocked

Yes, that is exactly it.

[lewarcher82]

I'm curious what you think but I'll save that for a later time.

yes, it naturally makes sense for you to withhold the details of your information... still, you already made a half-claim by admitting your info is role-related... I think I know what you did on a certain night and what you did not do on another night... but this is all I can deduce from the current data, so it is entirely up to you to decide how much you want to share.

@thil: I asked you another question earlier: why did you pick tmh over a lot of scummier player you could "investigate"?