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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 5:15 pm

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Um, because in this case, based on the information provided, if C-Worl was town he should've voted me IMMEDIATELY.
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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Sun May 29, 2011 6:03 pm

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Thor wrote:Look forward to your crumbs.

I'm having trouble finding it to be honest - I vividly remember typing that I was going to get lunch and they were out of doughnuts in one of my opening posts but it seems not to be there, I may have removed that element last second thinking it would be attacked for being fluff.
Spoiler: Though my knowledge of MoI's legitimacy I made quite obvious throughout my posts:
Regfan, 12th May 11:39pm wrote: Honestly,
Reck vs MoI reads as T v T
though I'll need to do some more reading into it. Can both of you
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Thor wrote: We've gotta do a VCA, we've got two independent scum right now, and 3 town. We have to peg one of them today or pray for double crosskill.

I was considering doing this earlier however due to the fact that only D1's lynch was pre-organised or directed from MoI I don't believe there would be much to gain from it.

C-Worl wrote: However, that's probably why I'm still alive. Reck's keeping me around so that he can get a free mislynch out of me. Which also points at Reg doing the same thing since they've both played with me before. They're assuming that I'm an easy mislynch. They're the ones with enough meta to come to that assumption. Compared to two inno results I think we should lynch one of them.

If memory serves me correctly I've played one completed game with you and one ongoing game. I have never witnessed you being lynched therefore I would like you to reexplain this.

Lobster wrote: @reg, i understand why you investigated thor, but why did you say he was trying to get day overwith quickly....that just doesn't make sense O_o

He was active during the short day yesterday however never requested that town slow down from lynching to hear responses from everyone or finish the popcorn-massclaim, I didn't expect behaviour like that from Town-Thor, thus I checked him.
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 3:47 am

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Day 7 - Vote Count 2


C-Worl 1: Reck
Reck 1: C-Worl

With 5 Alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 5:47 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Um, because in this case, based on the information provided, if C-Worl was town he should've voted me IMMEDIATELY.


I've already explained why rushing into a vote was a bad idea. Do you know how to read? Do your eyes work? Are you stupid?
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:29 am

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AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM

The only thing I don't see are actual legitimate reasons.
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:35 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM AD HOM

The only thing I don't see are actual legitimate reasons.


So you're answering "yes" to all my questions? Good to know.
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 6:37 am

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BTW, Regfan's breadcrumbs are lame and bullshit.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 8:28 am

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I certainly agree they are lame. I'm not actually changing my read on him, are you?
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 9:29 am

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I don't know. It's almost like he decided to claim cop and went back and looked for breadcrumbs, that aren't actually breadcrumbs. All of those "I believe the cop claims!" statements could have just as easily been made if he was scum.
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 9:43 am

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Obviously - the breadcrumbs just flat out; aren't.

I still stand by the question of, if he is a fake cop what the hell sort of ballsy move is it to put himself into the most guaranteed dead prior to lylo slot out there with other scum in existence? Even if he's almost 100% certain I really am town, he still should have Godfather doubts on LC unless he is himself a GF, and with both you and C-Worl running around if either of you are scum and aren't lynched...

The scum is you and C-Worl or one of you and C-Worl plus one of me and LC. The only way this is off is if red scum was only a two person group - and with 21 players; five scum is a touch less than 1/4 scum, which is pretty effing weak for scum. 6 scum is a touch less than 1/3 which is much more apropos.

Why do you think C-Worl is obvious scum for not voting you right away? If he had his head screwed on straight town or scum he would have voted you right away, that whole aspect screams pretty obvious null tell to my mind.
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 9:50 am

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the thing that bothers me about reg's claim is that it is a convenient(though bold) claim to have at this stage in the game. he didnt post d6(it was short), and said that n5 he got a guilty on BS, well, that's easy to say now. then last night, all he had to do was say he got an innocent if he was scum. even if he said he got an innocent on the other scum, would the other scum really come out and say, "reg is lying, i obviously scan guilty!" (not implying thor is scum, just hypothetically)im wondering if this COULD be some sort of gambit.

the gambit, however, conflicts with the townie vibe i've had against him all game.

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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 9:55 am

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Thor wrote:Why do you think C-Worl is obvious scum for not voting you right away? If he had his head screwed on straight town or scum he would have voted you right away, that whole aspect screams pretty obvious null tell to my mind.

Because scum has to go through an extra thought process at the start, which is "If I was town, then I would see things as _________", which would delay his vote on me.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Mon May 30, 2011 3:40 pm

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xRECKONERx wrote:BTW, Regfan's breadcrumbs are lame and bullshit.

They weren't breadcrumbs, I clearly stated so.

I'm going to focus on this game tommorow, I need to re-read into C-worl and Recks interactions with players from both scum-teams.
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 9:35 am

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LobsterCatapult wrote:c-worl, you said something was off about reg, do you believe the claim?


I don't necessarily believe it but I'm willing to buy it for now. If Reck flips town then either he's lieing or one of you is Godfather. Occam's Razor tells me that right now Reck is most likely to be scum. Especially sense he's given up any signs of rational logic.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:16 am

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You are aware there's multiple scum, yeah?
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:20 am

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Thor665 wrote:You are aware there's multiple scum, yeah?


I'm aware that it's likely that there's multiple scum. Which is why Reck's "ur scum for not quick voting" is retarded. However, I want to see a Reck flip before I see anything else.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:36 am

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Why does my statement become more scummy with the addition of multiscum?
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:38 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Why does my statement become more scummy with the addition of multiscum?


So ur not denying that it was scummy?
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:42 am

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Hey cool, I like strawman arguments too!

Answer the damned question: what about the presence of multiscum makes my statement about you not quickvoting MORE scummy, or even scummy at all?

C-Worl wrote:I'm aware that
it's likely that there's multiple scum
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Which
is why Reck's "ur scum for not quick voting" is retarded
. However, I want to see a Reck flip before I see anything else.

You've implied red is the causation for green. I'd like an explanation as to how that makes sense, logically.
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:49 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:Hey cool, I like strawman arguments too!

Answer the damned question: what about the presence of multiscum makes my statement about you not quickvoting MORE scummy, or even scummy at all?

C-Worl wrote:I'm aware that
it's likely that there's multiple scum
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Which
is why Reck's "ur scum for not quick voting" is retarded
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You've implied red is the causation for green. I'd like an explanation as to how that makes sense, logically.


It's simple. Right now we're in a Kingmaker type of situation. 2 scum of different factions = 3-1-1 right now.

A mislynch of town would lead to 2-1-1. In which case town only wins if both factions cross-kill (unlikely)

The possible scenarios after the next night would be 0-1-1 (Scum factions draw) 1-1-0 (red scum win) 1-0-1 (purple scum win) 2-0-0 (town wins)

Therefore, rushing into a vote could spell disaster bc if we all rush in without thinking then we're more likely to mislynch and the game is probably over. Currently we're in a 2 lylo situation.

We have to correctly hit one scum today (3-0-1 followed by 2-0-1) and THEN correctly hit the other scum tomorrow (2-0-0). Failure to do so = town loss. Thus, why would I rush into a vote in such a situation. The very idea that I should've done so is scummy.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:50 am

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C-Worl wrote:
Thor665 wrote:You are aware there's multiple scum, yeah?


I'm aware that it's likely that there's multiple scum. Which is why Reck's "ur scum for not quick voting" is retarded. However, I want to see a Reck flip before I see anything else.


likely?

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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:52 am

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No.

The idea is that if you are town, and you see a cop claim with result that have innocents on EVERY OTHER PLAYERS besides myself and you, then you automatically assume I'm scum because there can't be TWO godfathers. Granted, scum could fakeclaim deputy in this scenario, but given there's no way to prove/disprove that, one of us is the lynch for today.

If we lynch Regfan, all that does is either lynch a town PR, or lynch scum. If he's a town PR, then we're in the same situation where one of you/me has to be scum, and one of the other three is a Godfather. If he's scum, then we gain no information at all, since we don't know his results.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:58 am

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xRECKONERx wrote:No.

The idea is that if you are town, and you see a cop claim with result that have innocents on EVERY OTHER PLAYERS besides myself and you, then you automatically assume I'm scum because there can't be TWO godfathers. Granted, scum could fakeclaim deputy in this scenario, but given there's no way to prove/disprove that, one of us is the lynch for today.

If we lynch Regfan, all that does is either lynch a town PR, or lynch scum. If he's a town PR, then we're in the same situation where one of you/me has to be scum, and one of the other three is a Godfather. If he's scum, then we gain no information at all, since we don't know his results.


Wrong. Say Regfan's telling the truth, based on knowledge of my own alignment on of LC and Thor has to be GF. Or the both are (unlikely by theoretically possible) Which would leave u as scum.

Say Regfan's lieing , he's scum and LC could be the other scum. OR he's scum and Thor is a GF. OR he's scum and you're scum.

I'm in a situation where it's possible for any of you to be scum. Picking wrong = a most likely town loss.

THUS, I took my time before voting.

I fail to see how quick voting will ever possibly be a townie thing to do.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 12:50 pm

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Thor665 wrote:
@Mod - "Theoretically" (and by theoretically I mean, gosh I hope you might be crazy enough not to notice how this directly impacts the game) if you modded a game, and had two killing powers target the same victim, what resolution do you use to showcase the death? I know some mods list both kill flavors, and I've seen others use the one that was submitted first. What's your method?


Yo MOD

You've posted twice since I asked this. If you missed it, please notice it this time. If you're intentionally choosing to not answer it please post like a smirk or a funny picture of a frog or something as a reply so at least I know you see it.
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I will answer that at the end of the game, however I do have quite a few methods is what I will say :P
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