Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Thor665]

He changed his vote to at least two other competing wagons during the day - and even defended Triangle.

[xRECKONERx]

He changed his vote to at least two other competing wagons during the day - and even defended Triangle.

Saying I defended triangle is not only a stretch but a complete misrep. Not once did I ever defend her, FTR. I was wary of her VT claim and that's about it.

You are

seriously

desperate to get me lynched and I'm not understanding why.

I'm not getting lynched today, please try again tomorrow.

[Grimmjow]

You are

seriously

desperate to get me lynched and I'm not understanding why.

Thought: because you're scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Thought: you have no clue how to produce content, do you?

[Grimmjow]

Thought: I have, haven't I? Oh yes. My case on Triangle, and my case on you (and responses to your little emotional temper tantrum) were all content, were they not?

[xRECKONERx]

Fluff:content ratio is shockingly bad.

I've defended you this entire game based on meta because you're tryhard as scum but this is abysmal.

I'm a little lost as to what to do today. Lynching one of {Thor665, Seacore, Furcolow} would help out a lot. We have seven alive, so we can still afford a mislynch today even if we are completely wrong.

[xRECKONERx]

Actually fuck that, Thor shouldn't be an option. His misreading of the number of players left alive last page seems genuine and not forced and is therefore a town-tell.

[Thor665]

Reck, you've gotta be crazy to think I'm not capable of backing up stuff I say. People always kinda go 'herp-derp' when Thor whips out some absolute opinion or strong meta claim...and then I *always* back it up if needed. I'm still amazed people expect me to lie or something for these - I'm not that sloppy.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3550499
Here you are specifically wanting to lynch people other than Triangle.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3548577
Here you are explaining how Triangle is likely town.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3551720
Again, same tell restated.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3553021
And again. Gosh, you look soooo "wary" of her VT claim, don't you?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3553081
And again - 'c'mon guys, my buddy just claimed VT, let's lynch one of these other players'

That is clear defense and an attempt at wagon redirection.
But it's a misrep to say you defended her?
Yeah...

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, you've gotta be crazy to think I'm not capable of backing up stuff I say. People always kinda go 'herp-derp' when Thor whips out some absolute opinion or strong meta claim...and then I *always* back it up if needed. I'm still amazed people expect me to lie or something for these - I'm not that sloppy.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3550499
Here you are specifically wanting to lynch people other than Triangle.

Right... I don't see how that contradicts what I've said, though. I clearly stated my vote would stay on triangle unless we could get momentum elsewhere, which isn't exactly here nor there.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3548577
Here you are explaining how Triangle is likely town.

Not true. I was explaining how I read the VT claim and was debating that stance with FoN. The question wasn't a TRIANGLE IS LIKELY TOWN, it was "Would a newbie do this as scum or would they do something else?"

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3551720
Again, same tell restated.

Okay.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3553021
And again. Gosh, you look soooo "wary" of her VT claim, don't you?

Getting cold feet =/= OH MY GOD TRIANGLE IS SO TOWN BACK THE FUCK OFF, and I still stated willingness to lynch triangle

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3553081
And again - 'c'mon guys, my buddy just claimed VT, let's lynch one of these other players'

That is clear defense and an attempt at wagon redirection.
But it's a misrep to say you defended her?
Yeah...

I never "defended" her. I took issue with her VT claim but still showed intent to lynch and gladly hopped back on the wagon when there was enough votes (when, as Yates pointed out, I could've easily gotten Pine lynched instead as scum).

Furthermore, if you want to look at the cases where I HAVE bussed... this isn't Reckbus meta. Selfmeta yes but let's look at the games where I've bussed and let's see how it doesn't look anything at all what this looks like.

I don't know what else to say here. Triangle was scummy and I didn't know this would come back to bite me in the ass so hard for showing genuine hesitance on a D1 lynch. Actually had I known I doubt I would've done anything differently

[Force of Nature]

I'm not really comfortable lynching Reck without more role information about what's going on.
I really think massclaim can confirm a couple of alignments or at least be really useful to us for figuring things out.
Grimm getting tracked going nowhere N2 makes him about half as likely as the rest of the world to be scum and makes him not a cop.
Furc has claimed miller
Reck has claimed tracker
I've claimed VT
Thor, Seacore, and Yates are really the only ones up in the air.
Doctor + 2shottracker + 2shotneighborizer (hrm, pattern) + miller doesn't feel right.
I can speculate about stuff here, but I want to know the full picture.

Doctor + tracker + masons vs some mafia power is about right.
Neighborizer adds about as much as miller subtracts.
I'd say Reck AND a cop or masons being town actually works pretty well, especially depending how mafia is powered.
It works out to a lot of total PRs though.
Blah.

Anyway, I'm back to Chicago now, so my dormancy is ending.

[xRECKONERx]

Doctor + 2-shot tracker + 2-shot neighborizer + Miller vs. 1-shot rolecop + ?? + ??

We simply don't know enough about the setup yet to know if it's unbalanced. This COULD be a limited power game with everyone being limited-shot except the doctor, in which case it works out to be fairly balanced. If the miller claim is bogus, then I'd wager scum power is actually severely limited, but this is idle setup speculation that won't do anything without another flip

[Thor665]

@Reck - weren't you pressing for claims though? FoN is doing the same.

Also - I'm not sure if I'm crazy or you are, but that most assuredly looks like trying to get another wagon going and defending the Triangle wagon trying to slow and/or stop it. People can make their own decisions, but your explanations leave me very cold.

[Thor665]

Furc has claimed miller
Reck has claimed tracker
I've claimed VT
Thor, Seacore, and Yates are really the only ones up in the air.

I always claim Awesome

[xRECKONERx]

@Reck - weren't you pressing for claims though? FoN is doing the same.

Also - I'm not sure if I'm crazy or you are, but that most assuredly looks like trying to get another wagon going and defending the Triangle wagon trying to slow and/or stop it. People can make their own decisions, but your explanations leave me very cold.

You mean for massclaim? Today? No... I'm of the thought we should lynch and wait until tomorrow for claims. If we hit scum, then we've got scum running scared and can hold off on claiming even longer. If we hit town, then it means tomorrow is likely LYLO and we should wait.

As for the second bit, I certainly don't see it like that, and I certainly had no intentions of 'defending' triangle. I found her incredibly scummy, and the VT claim WIFOMed with my head. I don't see it as defending.

[Llamarble]

I mean, if you're scum we HAVE to have something else.
If you're town we PROBABLY have something else. But if we don't then massclaiming saves a mislynch.

We have enough weird claims that I think massclaiming will either make a lot of people very likely to be town or deliver scum to us.
It will also help us a lot with PoEing and stuff.
I think the benefit to today's lynch outweighs the increased certainty of the cop getting shot / blocked tonight (which may already be 100% for all we know).
Unless the cop has no results on living players, I think a massclaim is beneficial here.

Uh Reck, you do realize you're the most likely lynch today if massclaim doesn't happen right?

[Force of Nature]

I mean, if you're scum we HAVE to have something else.
If you're town we PROBABLY have something else. But if we don't then massclaiming saves a mislynch.

We have enough weird claims that I think massclaiming will either make a lot of people very likely to be town or deliver scum to us.
It will also help us a lot with PoEing and stuff.
I think the benefit to today's lynch outweighs the increased certainty of the cop getting shot / blocked tonight (which may already be 100% for all we know).
Unless the cop has no results on living players, I think a massclaim is beneficial here.

Uh Reck, you do realize you're the most likely lynch today if massclaim doesn't happen right?

[xRECKONERx]

Why does massclaim affect my chances of being lynched?

[Seacore]

Well, if there's no cop, then we lynch furc in a heartbeat.

[Grimmjow]

I'm not a fan of the massclaim idea. If we do out a cop, then, welp, they're dead overnight. If not, then there's still an opportunity for the cop to catch scum. Also, the cop doesn't HAVE to claim for us to know who their clears are if they were to die overnight. He/she could crumb it, and if they died, then all we'd have to do is look back at the crumb.

I still say Reck is our best chance to hit scum.

[Regfan]

Vote Count 4.2:

xRECKONERx (2): Thor665, Grimmjow.
Thor665 (1): Yates.
Furcolow (1): Seacore.

Not Voting (3):

Force of Nature, xRECKONERx, Furcolow.

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. The deadline is in (expired on 2011-12-06 21:50:00)

[xRECKONERx]

Most claims are out in the open now anyways. Scum wouldn't hae a hard time deducing the rest.

[Grimmjow]

Reck, FoN, and Furc: who do you consider the scummiest toDay and why? You don't have a vote placed, and I'm curious to know why.

[Papa Zito]

fin.